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Anonymous 03/28/2020 (Sat) 23:46:13 No. 403261 [Reply] [Last]
hey, just wanted to stop by and remind you that time is fascist alright, bye
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Comrades, is a military not fascist?
Coofing is fascist.
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Duke Ellington is fascist
Operating systems are DRM. CPU architectures are DRM. Silicon is DRM. Oxygen is DRM. Air is fascism. Fascism is DRM.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/apr/18/mayday.features11 >He does not, he says, "throw out all of Marx, the class struggle, all that we take for granted". But he includes in his condemnation "liberals, Marxists, members of left parties, Noam Chomsky, the anarchist left, the syndicalists, the Wobblies, all those people who think technology is fine and it just depends on how you use it and that there's nothing wrong with development and the industrial system, it just depends who's running it." what's up with the technophobes.

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Leftist youth and collective movements Anonymous 03/28/2020 (Sat) 12:46:51 No. 402287 [Reply] [Last]
Hi! I am a relatively young German that joined the leftist movement a few years ago (I was 15 back then, now I am 18). This is my first post here. I have been lurking for a while though! Anyways... I wanted to ask the people here what youth or collective movements exist in their countries! How are they oriented ideologically? Which would you support and which not? Since I am from Germany I started by making this meme. I joined die Linke not so long ago but dislike how parts of the party thrive into a pro-western direction and passively support the wars Germany is involved in as long as they go against "regimes"... Though there are great people in the party still. Like Sarah Wagenknecht and Suchergebnisse Webergebnisse Sevim Dağdelen who are two engaged women that politically represent the genuine left still. I myself see myself as a Democratic Socialist but I feel many with me have joined ranks with dubious Liberals and are playing in the hands of the global Capitalist order (by mindlessly supporting unplanned mass migration disregarding how shitty conditions already are in Germany for immigrants AND native Germans socially). And I am anti-imperialist. That's why I joined Sarah Wagenknecht's movement #aufstehen recently. It's a broad collective movement and I have met many nice people there that like discussing various topics and social problems with me. I didn't get the same positive and also dmeocratically oriented atmosphere in other groups I have had contact with (Antifa, JW) who were either rather hateful and anti-social or rather authoritarian in orientation. But anyways. Please tell me about groups of your country's left. Collective movements like #aufstehen or youth groups like the JW or young party orgs are all fine. I just am curious about it all. ^^
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>>402287 In Berlin I bought a magazine from a really cute boy with a stutter. The magazine was called red something? Like red post? I think it was a student org based in Bremen and other two cities. I tried searching for it, but I couldn't find it later and I lost the magazine. Do you have any idea of what the magazine/org could be called?
>>402329 Shut the fuck up you cunt
>>402329 This post was obviously made by some moron who thinks mass immigration is SOOOOO good despite the actual economic problem it entails. And thinks anyone who questions it is reactionary. Are you sure you're not some loser breadtuber.
>>403224 Yes, I agree. But we are currently living under capitalism. I'm all for using the immigration debate to promote socialism, but if you call everyone who criticize immigration a reactionary, people who see the issues with immigration without first being socialists like us, might actually turn to the real reactionaries. The far-right says a lot of dumb shit all the time, but this is one of those times where they actually have a point.
>>403292 Naw bro because as you know anyone who questions it is some dumb reactionary who is xenophobic and racist

Can socialism/communism override in-group preference? Anonymous 03/28/2020 (Sat) 20:00:06 No. 402987 [Reply] [Last]
So I got to listen in recently on a debate between an accelerationist Natsoc and an anarcho-communist. The nazi questioned the ancom on his beliefs and asked him why he wasnt racist which spawned a huge debate. The nazi's argument was that in-group preference is a natural psychological thing and will always force people into ethnic conflict as long as there are different ethnicities in a state. The nazi then said that without a common enemy like the bourgeois, races will turn on each other in any multi-racial society. The ancom responded to this and claimed that overthrowing the ruling class and implementing socialism would pacify people and that people would now have something that they would want ot maintain, and that it would override any person's desire to stoke conflict on the basis of race. The nazi then said something about the USSR having multiple ethnicities and that ethnic conflict erupted shortly after it fell. The ancom then said it was a different state or something, i dont really remember. Either way, this kinda seems like a typical nazi or race realist argument against multiracial societies that overly stressed the idea of "ingroup preference". Any thoughts or arguments against this type of rhetoric?
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>>403130 nick land was never a marxist. He was always an edgy right winger trying to find the edgiest philosophy to wear on his sleeve
>>403204 He might have.
>>403204 Hitler whould have called that guy a jew ,
>>403150 this is the smallest brain take i've ever seen; new tribalist factions can always be concocted in order to justify further stratification and prevent the resolution of class conflicts. Even if you abolished all members that didn't belong to a particular ethnicity, new lines of demarcation could be conceived of that would further 'other' newly conceptualized groups--be it people who have a certain jaw phenotype, eye color, hair color, or whatever the fuck else. The whole point of racism is to divide groups and stifle alliance, thereby denying universal struggle and short circuiting class consciousness by claiming that the innate capability of various groups restricts the possibility of attaining said consciousness and its empowering effects, etc.
>>402987 Good question, OP. My first point would be that in-group preferences apply not only to biologically-defined groups (based on phenotype) but also constructed identities such as religious, ethnic, and national groups. Hell, even sports fans engage in the same behavior. This means that social groups are not innate or biologically-defined, in theory we could make an in-group for proletarians or revolutionaries or whatever. My second point is that the in-group out-group dynamic is not all-important in human functioning, even though I would agree that it does probably have a biological basis inside of humans. I've worked with people of many races, ethnic groups, and nationalities. For the most part we didn't argue or fight over tribal shit because we were just trying to earn a paycheck and go home. Working adults have little time for petty shit. These two points are why I believe that a multi-ethnic or multi-national socialist commonwealth could potentially survive in spite of those divisions. But we would probably need to provide a common culture and common symbols that people could adopt to feel part of the same "tribe." The pull of us vs. them is strong in humans. >The nazi then said something about the USSR having multiple ethnicities and that ethnic conflict erupted shortly after it fell. That's true, but it doesn't prove that this will happen inevitably. Global capitalism functions very effectively even though it encompasses huge numbers of people from different nations, religions, ethnic groups - who all speak different languages. The fact that a system as chaotic as capitalism can function at a global level in spite of these divisions (and in fact, slowly tie these separate peoples together) is proof that we aren't doomed to ethnic conflict and division.

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Leftypol Magazine - New Multitude Anonymous 03/25/2020 (Wed) 13:45:59 No. 394865 [Reply] [Last]
Edited by vol, speaking in place of OP: I have started a new online magazine called New Multitude. On here i post notes, theory and shitposts from the worldwide left via bunkerchan and elsewhere. I aggregate, summarize and order interesting material into articles that are easier to read for both bunkerchan users and outsiders. Check it out! https://medium.com/new-multitude -----Original------ We have so many intelligence, thoughtful and yes weird comrades here from across the world. Shall we make something together? I'd like to start an online magazine. I have some experience with editing and proofreading but not much with site building (although a medium.com magazine seems fairly straightforward) It would be great if we could have a publication with voices from different parts of the world. I think there's a gap in the online left for something like this that.

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I think >>>/hobby/ is a good place for potential articles as well. Some threads with good effortposts: >>>/hobby/6303 >>>/hobby/7383
You know what, I think we should have a writing thread where more talented & experienced anons teach other anons how to write and critique their texts. I think a lot of us (me included) would benefit from learning how to transform their ideas and into cohesive texts. This "global" "quarantine" is the perfect opportunity to learn. What are some resources for learning how to write?
>>403027 I think the best thing to do is to write down what you want to say and let others critique it.
>>395477 >>395627 We did have that one world building thread about a future communist revolution a a formation of a cybernetic communist union. Too bad thread was deleted but I do remember that OP has started on making stories in the setting. Some neat shit like new development of socialism with tendencies like Esoteric Stalinism, how liberal bourgeois democracies can prolong its contradictions into the era of space exploitation and cybernetic Neo-feudalism get discussed. Wonder if the vols can still have data on that thread since I can’t find an archive version anywhere.
Anchored at OP's request. >>404047

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Éire/pol/ Anonymous 11/14/2019 (Thu) 11:27:52 No. 126351 [Reply] [Last]
Are there any Irish people on Lefty/pol/. Compared with /pol/ I don't see a massive presence of Irish people. I was thinking of starting an Éire/pol/ thread,but I won't bother if it's just going to die immediately
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https://cym.ie/2020/03/16/nameandshame/ The CYM are collecting a list of companies who have fired staff during the Coronavirus outbreak. You can email them or DM them on twitter if youve been affected by this.
>>383910 This is a great initiative, hopefully other lefty orgs will follow suit here.
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What's your guys' opinions of pic related? Are they socialist?
>>376169 IRA catgirl a cute
>>403127 Not until they direct some of their ire (heh) at the neoliberal haven that is the ROI government. Just seems like an excuse to relive fighting with the British government when you target just one of them. t. brit

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Questions for Anarchists Anonymous 03/15/2020 (Sun) 04:10:16 No. 359272 [Reply] [Last]
This is a thread dedicated to pose questions for anarchists for people who are misinformed/misunderstood on anarchism. Because the principles of Anarchism are way less well known that Authoritarianism.
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How do you beat the US military?
>>403120 Are you on the spectrum lad?
>>403126 Are you?
>>403134 >ancap
>>403147 Oh look, I am now a 'penile projectionist' almost as if these flags you can choose are absolutely a choice of the poster and not the result of some sort of testing. Also, did you not think that the side of the argument I was on might have been a hint toward obviously not being an ancap? I WOULD STILL LIKE AN EXPLANATION FOR THESE DUMB CLAIMS

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IRA Anonymous 03/26/2020 (Thu) 22:08:07 No. 398660 [Reply] [Last]
Is the IRA left wing? Are they socialist?
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>>402619 No because fascists aren't by and large victims of capitalism. They are sections of the bourgeoisie who manipulate certain sections of the working class, notably those in stable, respectable working conditions, such as the police and military, the "upper working class", perhaps also certain key trades through which the economy gains potency and thus the workers in that industry are afforded better wages, for example, people who work on oil rigs, shitty dangerous manual waged work but still you get a lot of buck because its skilled and dangerous, nothing in comparison to what your boss is making, but more than your average worker. These are the workers likely to become petit bourgeois. If you are on 60-100k a year you probably rent out a couple apartments as well, maybe you have some degree of stock holdings. As well as this, you will find some lumpen who are used by all of the above as the street movement of the fascists, often football hooligans etc. It is these types of people who fill the ranks of the fascists, those workers with a significant vested interest in the system over and above the interest of the minimum wage or there about worker
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>>402636 INLA formally ended their armed campaign in 2009. But like any armed group some of them just turned to criminality and kept the name, especially with a group like INLA, which has been a mess from the start tbf.
>>402716 What bullshit, all the /pol/tards that shoot up mosques and synagogues are losers on the bottom of the socio-economic chain
>>402920 see >As well as this, you will find some lumpen who are used by all of the above as the street movement of the fascists, often football hooligans etc.
GO ON HOME, BRITISH SOLDIERS, GO ON HOME

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The Office is propaganda... Pathogen Morbus 03/25/2020 (Wed) 02:05:56 No. 393510 [Reply] [Last]
The office in my eyes is a series that is used as propaganda training us to believe that 9 to 5 office jobs are actually nice and full of life, when in actually they are boring, soulless jobs meant to fuel the Bourgeoisie and corporate, that don't give us anything in return and suppress us.
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>>397728 It is a very good explanation of how ideology works. Did you not understand it? Have you played Pokemon Go before? Read this: https://literarydevices.net/analogy/ Then read this: The jew for the racist is like a pokemon in the Pokemon Go game. In the game, the pokemon is super imposed on top of the world via augmented reality. The jew figure is super imposed on top of reality in the world view of the racist. Both are virtual appearances. Happy to help. >>397832 You're really smart, my guy, and extremely well read, congartulations. You seem to lack any semblance of humility though. Perhaps not so smart after all :^) both of you are retarded
The UK office is way better imo
>>398218 I've never played Pokemon Go so I do not understand his analogy.
>>398329 That's fine matey. Just because you don't understand something, doesn't mean the theory is wrong and useless. Pokemon Go is a game that uses augmented reality and geolocation. You walk around and you "see" pokemons in real life, through your cellphone. The role of ideology is the cellphone. Zizek, it shows, has not actually played the game, since the gameplay is somewhat different. But that is secondary, the concept is a useful analogy to get the point across.
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Study group curriculum suggestions Anonymous 03/28/2020 (Sat) 20:12:21 No. 403002 [Reply] [Last]
Going to hold a study group for my party, hopefully not only locally but for members of all chapters close by. Now, according to myself and another comrade of mine, our party suffers from a high % of liberalism among active members. Which we believe manifests as ineffective politics, focused around short term campaign not connected to any bigger strategy. Not to mention that the work getting done is stereotypically "leftist" and guided by misplaced humanism. We hope that a better understanding of the actual mechanics of capitalism will encourage these people to focus less on reformism that does not challenge capital and more on meeting the needs of the proletariate. The stated goal is to then to use that to move into the necessity for class struggle and the realisation that this is a STRUGGLE and not a happy football game with fair rules. I have shared these two topics and gotten enthusiastic feedback. So I am hopeful. Issue is that I don't yet have a good idea on what to read and what concepts are most important to cover. Note that this will be a group for people who have not read a lot of marxist theory so I think Capital (which I've read) will be too big of a project to start with. Thus I welcome any feedback and ideas you might have.
Forgot to specify that I meant capitalisms economic mechanism
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This isn't just focused on economics, but I find this book is great for converting Libs (it is definitively a commie book). It covers just about everything succinctly and has a good amount of illustrations to convey each message visually.
Against liberalism 2019 edition. Short, easily understandable, essential.

Labor vouchers Anonymous 03/27/2020 (Fri) 22:20:15 No. 401171 [Reply] [Last]
Why didn't the USSR adopt a system of labor vouchers? Why did they maintain imaginary money?
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>>401892 Read a book
>>401969 I agree with you revisionism still real and had its role in the past.
>>401969 This is literally my comment >>401964
>>402530 Well I'd argue revisionism stems from the material conditions, and with better starting position the problems that come from it would have been way more limited. Also the revisionism was low-key justified since the real deal couldn't really be achieved. >>402533 Sorry, was on mobile at the time so only noticed what you wrote after I had clicked reply.

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