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For New Anons and Lurkers: FAQ, rules, and reading list Anonymous Board volunteer 07/05/2020 (Sun) 20:23:05 No. 668788 [Reply] [Last]
🚨🚨READ THIS FIRST BEFORE POSTING🚨🚨 Visual Guide for New Anons https://bunkerchan.xyz/.media/e7c5eab9a4fa215d646e6c8aaee497ef-imagepng.png Do not put your e-mail in the e-mail field First, Please read this OP. Since we're leftists, there shouldn't be many differences ideologically, but our community has its own jargon and idiosyncrasies which might be jarring to outsiders. Second, although we allow slurs, we are anti-bigotry and it will not be tolerated. Thirdly, the board has an anti-idpol rule. Meaning that discussion of idpol topics is not allowed. There is some flexibility. Where that flexibility is also requires some time to get the feel of it. Fourthly, don't put anything in the name, or email fields. Don't doxx yourself Search the catalog before starting a new thread to avoid duplicates: https://bunkerchan.xyz/leftypol/catalog.html Useful threads are often remade when expired, search the catalog if these links are broken. Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread >>719970 Market Watch >>8552 Internet General >>637502 Original Creations (Memes) >>419177 Leftypol Minecraft server >>>/games/880 (IP: Bunkerchan.aternos.me it's cracked, so anyone can join without paying for minecraft)

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>>737708 This is quite silly to be scared of reading a book. However you should probably read your classics before (see >>668814) reading him.
>>668788 Could we maybe add the Italian one to the list or region specific threads? >>19862
>>738690 Seconded
>>737708 If you're that scared that reading one guy that disagrees with you will completely change your views then you need to work out the inconsistencies in your present worldview so you can strengthen it. If you have a strong and supported base for your views then reading conflicting ideas will simply help you understand the other side and yourself rather than convert you.
>>737708 bookchin is fucking retarded if you've read any actual marxist theory. I can see how he'd be interesting to absolute normies just now dipping their toe in the water, but man... he's so bad dude lol.

//leftybritpol// - Tears of the Welsh Landlord edition Anonymous 08/04/2020 (Tue) 11:09:47 No. 744012 [Reply] [Last]
Fuck the landlords, fuck the landlords.
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For me, it's Gove's daughter
>>744237 That graph shows that everyone got better scores than previous years though. The lower social brackets actually got the biggest bonus.
>>744250 Luxury communism is basically "yang gang will lead to communism"
>>744246 >>744249 Tactically voting for thatcherites is ok though!
>>744255 >michael gove's adult daughter calls him daddy

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Anonymous 08/04/2020 (Tue) 03:46:33 No. 743380 [Reply] [Last]
Redpill me on Trotsky. Why do MLs hate him so much?
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>>744186 >it was able to recruit large voluntary armies, tho what? Where did I fucking state that?
>>744189 You quoted the whole thing that you apparently didn't care to read nor challenge. I'm writing it down again in hopes you'll read my whole post. The comintern organized a 50k strong army for Spain between 1936-38. The comintern organized and coordinated many hundred thousands strong partisans and resistance fighters under WW2. It did the same in 1949 China. But let's see what you are proposing: Stalin should have risked his alliance with the Brits and Burgers and thus the existence of the only socialist revolution that didn't fail just so that maybe a revolution in India could succeed. What you are proposing is the most idiotic thing ever: risk one socialist country's failure for the mere possibility for another succeeding. This idiotic strategy of yours AT THE VERY BEST would have resulted in a few dozen million more dead Russians (we wouldn't know because your whole idiotic ""premise"" is alternate ""history"") and a new socialist revolution in India while AT THE VERY WORST it could have meant the USSR's defeat and restoration of Tsardom and a failure of India as well - either as the next last standing socialist state (we are back to square one, you genius, a secluded pariah state having to start everything again, the industrialization, collectivization, education, etc.), or just remaining a colony of Brittain if it failed. This is EXACTLY the type of INSANE ADVENTURISM that Trotsky was got icepicked for.
>>744224 >But let's see what you are proposing: Stalin should have risked his alliance with the Brits and Burgers and thus the existence of the only socialist revolution that didn't fail just so that maybe a revolution in India could succeed. What you are proposing is the most idiotic thing ever: risk one socialist country's failure for the mere possibility for another succeeding. I'm saying that the 4th international was then more useful for these nations,
>>744224 >USSR's defeat and restoration of Tsardom Correction. Well, technically no, because Hitler would have Generalplan Ost'd basically the entire population and then would go after India as well.
>>744224 >But let's see what you are proposing: Stalin should have risked his alliance with the Brits and Burgers and thus the existence of the only socialist revolution that didn't fail just so that maybe a revolution in India could succeed. What you are proposing is the most idiotic thing ever: risk one socialist country's failure for the mere possibility for another succeeding. I am not proposing that Stalin should've done such things, rather I am stating that as the USSR could not ruin its alliance with the British, a new international was needed for those resistance fighters in South Asia and the Middle East. The CPI's Stalinist nature and compliance to the Comintern's orders led to its failure, this just showed that a new international separate from the USSR would have been beneficial and important. >This idiotic strategy of yours AT THE VERY BEST would have resulted in a few dozen million more dead Russians (we wouldn't know because your whole idiotic ""premise"" is alternate ""history"") Once again, you are fighting a strawman.

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EXILE THE TWITTERITE Anonymous 08/04/2020 (Tue) 08:04:37 No. 743766 [Reply] [Last]
Having long known of the evil opinions and acts of the TWITTERITE, we have endeavored by various means and promises, to turn him from his evil ways. But having failed to make him mend his wicked ways, and, on the contrary, daily receiving more and more serious information about the abominable heresies which he practiced and taught and about his monstrous deeds, and having for this numerous trustworthy witnesses who have deposed and born witness to this effect in the presence of the said TWITTERITE, we became convinced of the truth of this matter; and after all of this has been investigated in the presence of the honorable, we have decided, with our consent, that the said TWITTERITE should be excommunicated and expelled from the people of /leftypol/…" no one shall communicate with him neither in writing nor accord him any favor nor stay with him under the same roof nor within four cubits in his vicinity; nor shall he read any treatise composed or written by him. By decree of the angels and by the command of the holy men, we excommunicate, expel, curse and damn the TWITTERITE with the consent of our lord and savior Cockshott (Blessed be He), and with the consent of the entire holy congregation, and in front of these holy scrolls with the cybernetic knowledge which is written therein; cursing him with the excommunication with which we banned the stupidpolers and with the curse which we cursed the chapocels and with all the castigations which are written in the Book of the Law. Cursed be he by day and cursed be he by night; cursed be he when he lies down and cursed be he when he rises up. Cursed be he when he goes out and cursed be he when he comes in. The Lord will not spare him, but then the anger of the Lord and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the Lord shall blot out his name from under heaven. And the Lord shall separate him unto evil out of all the tendencies of /leftypol/, according to all the curses of the covenant that are written in this book of the law.
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>>743773 I will die before I use twitter.
Bad thread. Mods delete. Thank you.
It's Tvviterite you filthy degenerate.
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We must purify our armed forces, our Party and the masses of people... in defence of /leftypol/ territory and the /leftypol/ apparatchik... One of us must kill 30 Twitterites... two troops would be more than enough to fight the Twitterites, because Twitter has only 50 million inhabitants... We need only two troops to crush the 50 million Twitterites, and we still have six people left. We must formulate our combat line in this manner, in order to win victory.
ANTI-TWITTER AKTION

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Anonymous 08/04/2020 (Tue) 13:35:39 No. 744236 [Reply] [Last]
Why where the khmer rouge so retarded? Why were they fixated with farm life and anti-intellectualism? Are there any retarded leftists still that ever supported them outside of kampuchea?
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Read Michael Vickery: http://michaelvickery.org/ I'm sorry I can't sum it up in a post right now. The retardation of the Khmer Rouge is too immense a subject. Vickery influenced this Marxist piece on them though: >In this regard, it is important to note that the movement was extremely nationalist to the point of chauvinism. Despite their Marxist-Leninist phrases, the pronouncements of the Khmer Rouge were marked by the absence of even much lip service about internationalism. Internally they promoted an extreme Kampuchean nationalism. For example, in the rules for their new society, their “class analysis” placed both capitalists and national minorities in one category of “depositees.” Although their official pronouncements did not show it, there seems to be some evidence that they inculcated positions of seeking a “Greater Kampuchea,” with the dream of recovering Kampuchea Krom, the one-time Kampuchean territories which have been part of south Vietnam for some time now. >In the social sphere, there were social codes which sought to enforce an extreme puritanical regimen. This is hardly a sign of “communism” or “ultra-leftism”; rather it smacks of idealizing peasant conservatism. >Their political-organizational conceptions were also strange. As has been noted, the “Communist Party” was kept secret until 1977. Until then, everything was done in the name of a mysterious Angka – The Organization, whose character was not explained to the masses. This of course has nothing connected to the Marxist traditions of the proletarian movement. Marxism-Leninism promotes a party concept actively among the masses; far from hiding the existence of the party Marxist-Leninists lay a great deal of stress on training the proletariat to build up its own class political party. >The brief survey here shows that the policies of the Pol Pot movement were alien to Marxism-Leninism. They were policies with a peasant populist flavor. But the peculiarity of these policies do not provide evidence for the standard view promoted about Pol Pot’s Kampuchea. There was glorification of the peasantry and agriculture, but there do not appear to be general policies of elimination of all industry, medicine, intellectuals, etc. Perhaps this is because the movement was more complex than being merely a peasant movement. Of course the practices of the movement were not just a direct outcome of all their policies; undoubtedly their policies fed into the committing of harsh acts which went beyond even their own policies. >History has shown that the Pol Pot movement ended up in disaster. The disaster of Pol Pot’s rule is due, in the final analysis, of course not just to the excesses but also the basic policies of this movement. https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-7/mlp-kamp.htm
Pol Pot did absolutely nothing wrong fuck urbanites
Pol Pot reached communism

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United States Politics - /USApol/ Anonymous 05/26/2020 (Tue) 19:10:57 No. 531727 [Reply] [Last]
FRATERNAL RIOT PORN WATCHING AND FRIENDLY CIRCLEJERK HERE: https://cytu.be/r/bunkerchanalt Thread theme: FREE RASHID BASARA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWyB447vNjg 100,000 deaths edition https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ What's Next: Democratic National Convention - August 17th Republican National Convention - August 24th Ongoing - Democratic veepstakes Now with livestreams! CNN: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/cnn-news-usa.html MSNBC: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/msnbc.html FOX: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/fox-news-channel.html

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>>744201 They can try. But where would they deport you to? It may not be easy, but they can't get rid of you like that either. People have done this in the US in the past. The challenge is proving you're truly stateless, which can be done to an extend.
>>744201 Literally claim you had to leave the US and renounce your citizenship because of political repression or discrimination or some shit. In like one or two years its going to be true anyway
>>743387 there’s been a decline in /leftypol/ too. already you have people freaking out calling you a liberal for even talking about philosophy or Adorno.
Btw if you do this make sure you have enough savings, or have a source of income that isn't dependent on your citizenship. And do this before entering the destination country, or else you may violate asylum rules and you'll be stuck in limbo for decades.
>>743387 History has resumed, but the working class and the subcultural left are thoroughly unprepared for it. The deep solidarity and institutional culture of the old working class is thoroughly alien to the modern proletariat, and contemporary left-activists are drowning in dogmatism and confused politics. It'll probably be years, perhaps decades, before people throw off the detritus and false hopes of the 20th century and start working together in the here and now again.

Pornography and ideology Anonymous 08/03/2020 (Mon) 19:52:58 No. 742355 [Reply] [Last]
What are the ties between race fetishim and nazism? Pic related basically reads like a sexual version of the turner diaries.Yet it's so obvious how it's written by some petty boug Suburban dwelling american who probably posts on /pol/. Since this as been a consistent tool of propaganda all through history, what's the tie? >He hated them. He hated the sight of them. They were destroyers, these black kings. A menace. Ruiners of all he held dear. >Even so, just look at them. Those rippling muscles. The superior physicality, the raw animal strength born from centuries of oppression, now weaponized against the oppressors. Look at those chiseled abs, those huge pecs, those biceps. He was in awe of the guards especially, with their tribal paint and tattoos, their golden ceremonial bands around their massive biceps. In the books the guns of the new african army are also manufactured by china and there is at least 2 paragraphs dedicated to this. He grabbed the machine gun out of Alex’s hands with ease, like he was snatching it away from a recalcitrant toddler. He grabbed the dog’s leash and shushed him, bringing him to heel. “Peep dat shit,” Inspector Jamal said. He pointed to the lettering along the side of the gun: a string of holographic Chinese characters. >“Da Chinks made dis gun for da New African Army, whiteboi. Dis thang right here,” Jamal said, pointing to a tiny box on the side of the gun. “Dis reads yo’ muhfuckin’ biochemistry. If you ain’t black, this gun ain’t gon’ fire for you, bitch. We got dese pieces made custom.” There is also incessant screeching about his "virginal" sister. >He pictured Kaylee. He thought of what these brutish conquerors would do to her if he failed. They’d wreck her body >They’d leave every hole a gaping, cum-filled mess,and they’d breed her with litter after litter of black babies. He imagined the horrifying image of Kaylee’s arms full of weeping jet-black babies, all grasping and craning their necks to suck milk from her white bosom. Or muh property >They were called insta-brands: originally used in the breeding pens to brand white women during their inseminations. Soldiers began using them to “mark” sissies they’d fucked, similar to a graffiti tag on a city wall.
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>>744198 Weeb ones. /qa/, /jp/, /a/ spinoffs that don't tolerate politics.
>>744215 Go post in the altchan topic anon, it's your patriotic duty.
>>744215 A lot of the /a/ spinoffs seem to have the same problem. Even the less political ones seem to be happy with regular crazed rants about how degenerate jews are ruining their porn cartoons. If you've got I've managed to miss please share or do as >>744217 says and post them in the /hobby/ thread. Theres our >>>/anime/ board but its kind of dead because the board owner is unwilling to actually let people know it exists.
>>744223 Sorry, we are working on the problem.
>>744226 Glad to hear, having it in the top bar would be a nice first step.

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redpill me on china Anonymous 08/04/2020 (Tue) 12:33:48 No. 744128 [Reply] [Last]
or whatever
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Magical eastern land. They do big socialisms in there albeit not as pure as the socialisms in north korea.
>>744128 Failed opportunist socialist state. Similar problem to the USSR (country of peasants, not workers), never got close to anything like a DOTP. Actually transitioned to oligarchy much easier than the USSR, because the bureaucratic state apparatus was never as powerful. Seen great economic success through state guided economic development (similar to many other countries, including neighbors like Taiwan). Due to the combination of their large size and their development, they have become a very powerful nation, with still plenty of productivity headroom to go. The US finds this very threatening of course, since the growing economic influence that China has is undermining the alliances that enable US imperial control. Right now the US is attempting to stop China before they reach critical mass, using trade war to limit Chinese economic influence. This however risks driving international capital to China instead if they haven't calculated correctly; they are hoping that somehow China is a paper tiger and that political contradictions will come to the surface under pressure. However if China doesn't fracture they risk driving capital even faster from the US. Who should we support? no-one really, this is mostly just capital shuffling the deck, either way history will lurch forwards. If it actually comes to war then revolutionary defeatism is the sensible option.
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>>744128 Do you want a real HOT REDPILL on China? China started dying with the liquidation of the landlords. They were the educated class of neets that essentially produced chinese civilization for millennia, no doubt they would have been the same but marxist in the CPC era. They should have been salaried by the state and kept doing what they were doing (nothing). Today chinese are fucking stupid because there is no idle people officially sanctioned. But the real decisive cause of the grim situation is the demolition of the barefoot doctors. They were a powerful intelligence on the country, and a source of real science and experience. Up until this year I couldn't have a guess why Deng got rid of them; today is clear. The first reason is that thay would have reported the degradation of poor people's health correlated with market reforms; the second is that if China wanted to be a part of the globalized world, this source of knowledge had to go, couldn't interfere with the global rockefeller medicine. And this is how the Sassoon-Rothschild finally conquered China since the first Opium war thay started.
>>744227 >They should have been salaried by the state and kept doing what they were doing (nothing) Is this leftcom?
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porky in a vice with potential for implementing a full socialist mode of production in the future

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RCP turns revisionist Anonymous 08/04/2020 (Tue) 05:03:18 No. 743483 [Reply] [Last]
oh fuck ok...Thoughts? Were any of you into the RCP?
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>>743908 RCP are self proclaimed Maoists though
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>>744080 this must literally be the only time Joe hasn't taken the AIPAC line on any given issue
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>>743908 >The USSR back when it was around favored Democrats over Republicans. no they didn't, lol and btw, CPUSA doesnt support Biden
>>744045 >Nazis are coming if we don't vote for the libs

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/IG/ Internet General Anonymous Board volunteer 07/29/2020 (Wed) 23:34:23 No. 731360 [Reply] [Last]
Discuss e-celebs, lefty youtube, twitter, twitch, etc. New 'actually moderated' flavour! Now with 100% less idpol guaranteed!
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>>743948 He hates Marxists But likes them when it is convenient, like when he debates rightoids he continuously appeals to the LTV and historical materialism to explain why capitalism is doomed and not eternal and communism is inevitable. But then the next day he calls himself a market socialist and an unironic postmodernist
>>742609 "when he's saying liberal, he doesn't mean neolib. he's saying marxism as a concept was based on actually fulfilling the promises of the enlightenment. neoliberalism conflicts with marxism, but marxism seeks to actually fulfill enlightenment values." he's right you know
>>743513 >>743734 Wait wtf is this "Game" called? Not calling you a liar but after searching a little bit i cant find reference to it anywhere on the internet
>>744058 Radlibs absolutely blown the fuck out

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