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For New Anons and Lurkers: FAQ, rules, and reading list Anonymous Board volunteer 07/05/2020 (Sun) 20:23:05 No. 668788 [Reply] [Last]
🚧🚧Please bookmark http://leftypol.org in case this current domain gets v&ed or anything else.🚧🚧 Visual Guide for New Anons https://bunkerchan.xyz/.media/e7c5eab9a4fa215d646e6c8aaee497ef-imagepng.png Do not put your e-mail in the e-mail field First, Please read this OP. Since we're leftists, there shouldn't be many differences ideologically, but our community has its own jargon and idiosyncrasies which might be jarring to outsiders. Second, although we allow slurs, we are anti-bigotry and it will not be tolerated. Thirdly, the board has an anti-idpol rule. Meaning that discussion of idpol topics is not allowed. There is some flexibility. Where that flexibility is also requires some time to get the feel of it. Fourthly, don't put anything in the name, or email fields. Don't doxx yourself Search the catalog before starting a new thread to avoid duplicates: https://bunkerchan.xyz/leftypol/catalog.html MOD LOG: If you wish to see the log of mod actions (ban, deletions etc...) see https://bunkerchan.xyz/logs.js?boardUri=leftypol META DISCUSSIONS AND GENERAL COMPLAINTS AND QUERIES ABOUT THE SITE'S ADMINISTRATION: >>>/gulag/ Useful threads are often remade when expired, search the catalog if these links are broken. Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread >>983378 Internet General >>986104

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>>1171150 He's cringe. He whined on the anime board because I saged a boring thread about tomboys
>>117115 Well, that's imageboard autists for you.
Were a bunch of posts deleted from the depression thread? I can't tell if I'm just being retarded or not.
>>1175431 Turns out I'm retarded since there are multiple threads, delete this posts if you want.
>>1171150 >tomboys Ay that thread still up?

>>1177636 Can confirm, sort of, there's all kinds of incels, involuntary celibate for varied and often contradictory reasons. A huge amount of them are just crippled, or retarded, or sub literate though. >>1177642 that measures pregnancies not pussy. we're not animals we fuck for pleasure more often than procreation. In fact that measures ethnicity by mother, so really the data confirms the white supremacist belief that non whites are shitting out more kids and will outbreed them if not culled.
>>1177597 Bro, it's time we had a conversation. All of us are getting all the puss except for you. And I don't mean that we put together get all the puss amongst ourselves, but each and every one of us gets all the puss. Everyone but you. Sorry.
>>1177629 It's all satire
>>1177647 >that measures pregnancies not pussy. we're not animals we fuck for pleasure more often than procreation. Not really. In order to get more kids you also are getting more pussy. White women don't get kids by not dating men, and most of the black women mostly date black men.
>>1177651 wtf are you talking about? /pol/ is a white supremacist group that counts amongst its members europeans, white americans, commonwealth countries, south americans, south east asians, japanese, russians, africans, polynesians, australians, and extraterrestrials. There is no way there's any satire posted there, they all must be 100% committed to the white race and nazi german ideology, no satire is allowed there, this is the reason why actual neo-nazi boards with neo nazi owners and moderators have zero traffic, and posters would rather brave the hostile mods and shit software to post about how much better white people are, or how much better white people are than them on 4chan.

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Settlers Anonymous 11/26/2020 (Thu) 20:08:39 No. 1173926 [Reply] [Last]
>Next to nothing known about the author >Says that there's no white proletariat so organizing is pointless >Extremely popular in academic(controlled opposition) "Marxist" circles How does anyone not see that this book is cointelpro?
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>>1177635 If it's getting banned people like OP should also be banned for blatantly doing everything possible to keep discussion stuck on it
>>1173926 >instant replies
35 1. Are you saying Sakai is a reactionary? 2. How do they rehabilitate fascism? 3. Any more about the pen name? I want to know more about J S the person too as all we have is Settlers and an interview.
>>1177643 >Are you saying Sakai is a reactionary? He fucking is. >Kill whites, because can't organize >anything else is revolutionary by nature, somehow igoners latino gusanos are reactionary anti-revolutionaries >>>1177643 >How do they rehabilitate fascism? Read the books I mentioned. >>1177643 >Any more about the pen name? I want to know more about J S the person too as all we have is Settlers and an interview. No, you don't want to know more. Sakai is pure horseshit, manure, poopoo. I'd rather waste time hearing any podcast from Michael Moore than learning more from that shit. lern2reply.
>>1177415 You're throwing the word radlib around an awful lot for someone clearly unfamiliar with the general ML stance on this issue. I know what it's like to be poor and I want to live in a world without poverty, but to compare the lives of American poor folks to those of the global south takes an absurd level of ignorance and basically no concept of how imperialism works. Read a book pls.

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Leftist perspective on te general strike that shut down Kerala province? Anonymous 11/28/2020 (Sat) 02:55:53 No. 1177368 [Reply] [Last]
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/bharat-bandh-today-10-trade-unions-protest-centres-new-farm-labour-laws-2330330 250 crore (250 MILLION) workers from all the major unions from Bank Tellers to Rickshaw drivers went on strike yesterday and the day before. I'm not seeing any coverage from the Left What's up?
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Why are Indian communists and unions so based? Does anyone know good books on them? >>1177404 >only hope We insurrectionists exist too you know
>>1177368 Yoo I heard about some farmers too marching to delhi And the police dug trenches and shit to stop them Crazy stuff
>>1177457 Indian Anarchists? Do tell.
>>1177614 Is that for real?
>>1177368 There seems to be a mainstream media blackout on this event. I Googled "India" and nothing about the strike came up. I then Googled "India general strike" and most of the results were from explicitly leftist sites like Leftvoice and WSWS.

Listen Vaushite Part 2: Cultivated Personalities and Cults of Personality Anonymous 11/28/2020 (Sat) 03:44:32 No. 1177505 [Reply] [Last]
Postmodern society has given birth to the myth of the exceptional individual. Every man is an island and society is shaped at the whims of and by sheer will-power of certain influencers, the class of indispensable ”men of action” that Ayn Rand looked up to. With the veneration of individuals come also the fittingly-named ”cults of personality”. This is not to imply that personality-cults are a new phenomena. They are as old as hierarchal human society as a whole. Strong political movements have been held together by firmly established personality cults, like those around Stalin and Mao. Sometimes entire societies have been centered around deified individuals, suchs as China, Japan and Egypt. Noone would claim that personality-cults are without political utility and always necessarily play a regressive and detrimental role. Personality-cults have one really big draw-back, that makes them really fragile as movements, and this is exactly the fact that they're centered around key personalities, without whom the movement does not have cohesion. When the leader passes away, the group splits; should the leader become corrupted, the movement becomes passive and loses all vigour. Celebrity-based parties within the US has a tendency to fail and almost never outlast the persons it is centered around. The utter despair and aimlessness of the resurgent left in the US after Bernie Sanders dropped out of political relevance is a good indicator of this. The same can be said of other left-wing movements, from the far-left revolutionary Shining Path to the Populist reformers of the Huey Long movement. Personalities are also infinitely more easy for bourgeois powers to corrupt or get rid of. Instead of having a many-headed hydra in the form of a mass-movement based on council politics, we have long-necked giraffe-looking movements with huge weak-spots in the more personality based ones. Individuals have relationships, careers and reputations to maintain. Secrets to keep. Power to gain. The same cannot be said of a mass movement. What is perhaps a little more new about cults of personality in the modern capitalist context, is cults of personality *as consumer goods*. The modern world is one of consumerism and customization. Everything can be fitted to the individual in the marketplace. So too, can it in the marketplace of ideas. Whereas personality-cults once were largely collectivist projects centered around a Heruclean demi-God figure, the subject of the cult is not longer the face of it, but rather the consumer of it. Thought-leaders are not figures we turn to in order to learn something new, or because we want anything in particular to be done. Thought-leaders are there to validate us in the things we already believe. We pay them with our love and adoration (and often money) and it turn, we get to cultivate an identity based on this relationship. They tell us that we were already right all along, and that the individual does not have to change or do anything real with their lives, because they are already as they were supposed to be all along. When this becomes applied to politics, it becomes especially malicious. Why organize in practical terms and creat real democratic communities at the municipal level, when we can tune in to Bernie and donate 26 dollars? Why read litterature and philosophy yourself, investigate your own sources, when you can just follow people on Twitter who will tell you who else to follow on Twitter? Why become active politically ourselves, when we can tune into late-night streams with sweaty bearded streamers that will tell you how revolutionary you are for listening to them ”change the conversation” and ”fight the culture war”?

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>This author's bet is that the Green Party, as a reformist worker's party, is the only one where entryism is currently possible. If we caucus within it, it is immently possible to reform it into the kind of socialist party that we need for the 21st century, something which it already has characterists off. If that is not to your liking, then perhaps smaller local parties can do it for you for now. Anything to revive the life of the political city, which will be central to the reinvigoration of the leftist movement in the US and indeed of of the world as of now. what did he meant by this?
>>1177554 Some people take issue with the Green Party. Perhaps if you do not feel like you can do activism within it, there are other local alternatives for you that allow you to reinvigorate your local community as a political unit. I try to keep my language as plain as possible, I'm sorry for being vague.
>>1177505 Could you give a TL;DR? My tiny brain can't handle all that text.
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>>1177627 Yeah sure. Let's just have a comfy conversation. You can ask or interject whatever you want. It's essentially about how political figures, politician as well as streamers, are sort of consumer goods, meant to make you feel good and do nothing moreso than make you politically active. It's the 2nd of four parts I am posting here on the way forward in the coming Biden years.
good post OP

Anonymous 11/10/2020 (Tue) 22:43:13 No. 1118132 [Reply] [Last]
Why has identity overtaken class in the West? No one views themselves as part of a Marxist class but everyone has their own "identity" which kind of acts like in a class, in that people associate with it and even organize around it.
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>>1176920 >your class can change while you identity can't. Class is more fixed than identity, you can identify with something else without much effort, but moving up a class is rare. >It's better to invest into a group you won't leave not if there is no return on investment, which is true for the majority of people any of these groups
>>1177469 Presumably if you're black in America you could choose not to be black in America but I imagine that others will remind you that you're black in America sooner or later. Probably true for a lot of different identities.
>>1177517 So, we have resorted to race essentialism? Barring someone of opportunity for the color of their skin is a class issue, plain and simple. A class issue that could be easily rectified under a socialist state.
>>1177574 It happens more often when you’re black. I think it’s valid to consider it a secondary contradiction, like how Mao called it.
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>>1177574 I think it's a complex story and there's a lot of ambiguity, and a lot of time this kind of discourse loses a lot of the rough edges. But walking down the street of an American city, I am easily identified as white. I have been treated as white throughout my life. Now, what that means exactly is going to be a long, hard story. But I think it's a social reality in that it's about how we are regarded, and it comes to be a part of how we regard ourselves, whether consciously or unconsciously, in all sorts of ways. These are real-existing social categories, in circulation, and that includes other thing like gender. I am easily identified as a man, and that means all sorts of shit. And I can reject these categories and say "I'm not a white man" but I'm going to have to really work hard at that for it mean something to other people in terms of how I'm regarded when walking down that street by others, or by the police. >>1177615 I agree with that.

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Jenny Marx's Questionnaire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anonymous 11/27/2020 (Fri) 11:55:57 No. 1175577 [Reply] [Last]
Jenny Marx™, the daughter of Karl Marx™, created a questionnaire which she invited important people to take, among them her father, Leó Frankel, etc. In all honesty, it's a silly little questionnaire, however it does reflect one person's priorities and such. I would like to invite you to take this questionnaire (see template below). I will also try to find "famous people" who took it, and post them, just to maintain the thread and such. Please use your appropriate flag while answering, so that the community could mock you, etc. Jenny's questionnaire (Template. Please copy-paste the following and insert your own answers under after the orange meme arrow.) >The Quality you like best < >The Quality you like best in man < >The Quality you like best in woman < >Your chief characteristic < >Your favourite occupation < >The vice you hate most <

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>>1177576 >reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
>>1177593 >lots of words k
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Based on responses, it appears Taraxacum officinale only trails the rose as the favorite flower of Leftypol :)
>>1177593 If I understand you correctly you have some personal difficulties relating to other people. That's ok.
>>1177611 it is a very humble pretty little flower :)

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The overpopulation meme Anonymous 11/26/2020 (Thu) 06:19:38 No. 1171689 [Reply] [Last]
I'm so tired of right-wingers and gullible liberals buying into this neomalthusian meme.
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>>1177183 >Overpopulation is genuinely an economic and environmental issue. There are too many damn people. >>1172002 "The combination of the entire human population taking up the equivalent physical space of a single 1.07 kilometer cube >>1171716, this human population also currently going through collapse due to declining [below-replacement level] fertility rates worldwide https://www.niussp.org/article/half-the-worlds-population-reaching-below-replacement-fertility/, and Earth's total land area being 57,308,738 square kilometers = "Overpopulation" is fake and gay."
>>1171913 Unrelated, but this brand is doing a "one for one" campaign where for every bottle sold, they donate a bottle to... first world college student.
>>1177183 >depopulation conspiracy theories >depopulation >conspiracy theory Is National Security Study Memorandum 200: Implications of Worldwide Population Growth for U.S. Security and Overseas Interests (NSSM200), which was completed by the US National Security Council under Henry Kissinger's direction and adopted as official US policy in November 1975 under President Gerald Ford, just a "conspiracy theory" then? See >>1171781, >>1171785 and >>1172193 >>1177183 >I thought right wingers were the ones making a big deal about declining birtb-ratea Right-wingers only make a big deal about and oppose declining white, Western birth rates. They support the declining of birth rates in the 3rd World/Global South.
>>1177217 I'll admit, I'm not super informed on this issue, but pro-natalism under capitalism seems like a bad idea considering it can't provide for the current population, and feeds off of a reserve army of unemployed proles. I'm not denying that the earth has the capacity to sustainably support much more people under a planned economy, but "breeding like rabits" under the present material conditions seems like a bad idea.
>>1176926 Yes, we could do this. And do you know why we don't? Because it would be a massive intense investment with almost no return on investment, almost guaranteed to not even break even for over a fucking century, for no practical advantage whatsoever over just building up where we have existing infrastructure and locations that are more suited to the things we want for them. Even when you talk about things like this >>1177140 you are missing out on the simple fact that this isn't some project some retard thought up and decided they'd do, it was steady growth that happened over hundreds, thousands of years, most of which happened more slowly than in more viable places to live and work. We don't do these retarded projects like what you obsess over because 99.999% of humanity doesn't suffer from a paranoid phobia of a 19th century English economist, nor are we so desperate to make sure population line go up that we start scraping the very bottom of the fucking barrel for places to cram the last human in on earth that we're going to take up millions of miles of terraforming for no practical gain whatsoever.

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Anonymous 11/26/2020 (Thu) 03:24:03 No. 1171280 [Reply] [Last]
Manual labour is good for you and your character. There is too much theory and too little strengthening of yourselves as a worker. I see countless examples of supposed Communists who have so obviously never done a single day of manual work in their lives, and it disappoints me greatly. To bear a hammer and the sickle over your heart without ever toiling with either in hand is a gross irony, which plays well into opposing ideologies and the american elites who would turn you into scarecrows of embarassment! Consider paid or volunteer manual labour jobs. They will pay little; you will not like the experience. However, it will teach you the importance of thinking outside yourself, to be humble, to think beyond the short term as well as build the strength you may one day need to defend yourselves and your values against those who today relentlessly advocate for your death. Only from here you will understand the struggle. That is all.
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>>1177450 31614 - prison code for a man who apparently raped over 1000 men and boys, his strength allegedly coming from years of manual labor 49311 - DICK if google is anything to go by.
bitch i carry shit at work every day mind ya business
>>1177453 LOL ok toughguy.
>>1177401 I'm not OP though I think he has good intentions I have no distain for white collar work. I do outside manual labor, l because part of me knows how soul crushing office work is. I respect it and I also know our struggle is one and the same. My problem is what seems to me, neet radlibs that want to tell me I'm some porky pawn. Simply when I merely suggest we shouldn't alienate the manual labor prole, by telling them they're all suckers for what they do. Quite simply its bad praxis. If you don't explain the alternative to "workerism" and "Protestantism" all you do is spit in workers face for what they have managed to strife for all their lives.

Red Dixie? is there any hope for the most cursed part of Burgerland? Anonymous 11/27/2020 (Fri) 19:21:47 No. 1176405 [Reply] [Last]
Why tf is the South so bizarre? Why is everyone here obese and retarded? Anytime Burger-Spergs happen its usually from here (people praying outside a ballot office to defeat Biden, Fake working-class Truck kulaks, rabid racism). Is it a result of the South's historical inability to cope with losing the civil war to the North? Or a result of being less developed than the rest of the country? Sidenote: Thoughts on George Fitzhugh and what the fuck his problem was?
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>>1176522 >>1176548 >>1176722 >>1176764 >>1176904 t. too afraid to talk to black people irl
>>1176411 Perpetuating racism in any direction should have you subject to the very same punishments for the oppressors. Eye-for-an-eye in an innately christian-moralist way of thought.
>>1176722 That's what happens when you literally enslave and then harshly repress an entire ethnicity for hundreds of years, you fucking rube.
>>1176722 There’s no greater repulsive creature than the racist fat southern burger. They’re like fat roaches that should be genocided if race was actually a real thing. They have enough rolls on their disgusting lard bellies to make up for all the ‘breadlines’ you rightoids think communism had
>>1176722 I’ve seen more coal burners in the rural South than I have in the North or midwest. It turns out that rural black and white folk have a lot in common with one another and people in close proximity with each other are more likely to have relationships. Granted I’m a yankee who moved down there (Indian Doctors like my dad will always be found in rural, underserved areas), but that’s an observation I have made.

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