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For New Anons and Lurkers: FAQ, rules, and reading list Anonymous Board volunteer 07/05/2020 (Sun) 20:23:05 No. 668788 [Reply] [Last]
🚨🚨READ THIS FIRST BEFORE POSTING🚨🚨 Visual Guide for New Anons https://bunkerchan.xyz/.media/e7c5eab9a4fa215d646e6c8aaee497ef-imagepng.png Do not put your e-mail in the e-mail field First, Please read this OP. Since we're leftists, there shouldn't be many differences ideologically, but our community has its own jargon and idiosyncrasies which might be jarring to outsiders. Second, although we allow slurs, we are anti-bigotry and it will not be tolerated. Thirdly, the board has an anti-idpol rule. Meaning that discussion of idpol topics is not allowed. There is some flexibility. Where that flexibility is also requires some time to get the feel of it. Fourthly, don't put anything in the name, or email fields. Don't doxx yourself Search the catalog before starting a new thread to avoid duplicates: https://bunkerchan.xyz/leftypol/catalog.html Useful threads are often remade when expired, search the catalog if these links are broken. Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread >>668321 Market Watch >>8552 Internet General >>637502 Original Creations (Memes) >>419177 Region specific threads USA >>531727

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>>670275 Ok neat, but can we filter it to something less gay than "king."
>>670269 It's a shit meme that sounds like unironic cuck shit even if it is meant to be ironic.
>>670269 yeah, a reddit meme
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Hey I just want to say that this thread is not for mod feedback and that you should make these complaints on /gulag/. I am guilty of responding too so I will stop now. Hope you all are having a good day.
>>669849 >Other chans, sure; reddit, no way. You're deluded, comrade. Reddit is the center hub for political forums. Even if it's true that, relatively, channers are more likely to come here, it'll still be a majority redditors, because they simply make up the majority of the online discourse.

How are people still obsessed with shitty consumer shit while the world is going to Hell? Anonymous 07/06/2020 (Mon) 16:22:40 No. 670673 [Reply] [Last]
Like, holy shit, there's so much actually meaningful and terrifying shit going on in the world, and yet people are still somehow wrapped up in media consumption. How is this possible? I don't mean shit like people just like things I don't mean people watching movies I mean shit like all the Star Wars YouTube channels bitching about Episode VIII three fucking years after it's released I mean constant vids discerning the deeper meaning of "le marvel universe" The fact that half the Breadtube crowd is still doing media criticism even though the world is unraveling around us All this fucking consoomption shit How do people do it? Literally none of this shit even remotely matters and people are religiously devoted to it somehow
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>>670708 I don’t give a shit about escapism I like Star Wars myself But you think it’s good for people to turn this into an identity? You think it’s rational for people to rant about a shitty Star Wars film every week for three straight years while the ecosystem, economy, and geopolitics all break down?
>>670724 art is revolutionary by default. it is the expression of the soul. look at the dada movement and the works of marcel duchamp, where the artists rebel against the chains of what art is and is not. >>670727 >art kek you guys gotta learn the difference of art and entretainment.
>>670736 It's neither good or rational, it's literally cope.
>>670739 pic related is L.H.O.O.Q. by marcel duchamp. you may think it is a silly internet parody, but is that art? that is the point of the painting.
>>670739 man, you really dislike a part of human nature, we have used art for expression for all of human history. when we look at revolution, we look at the art of that time. photography is art, music is art, painting is art. art is the language of the people

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The American Revolution Anonymous 07/06/2020 (Mon) 07:45:32 No. 669813 [Reply] [Last]
The 4th has come and gone yet again, stirring up a shitstorm here in my beloved homeland the good 'ol US of A. I can already hear the Sakaist schizos decrying the commemoration of this significant event in world history as nothing more than a "$ettler KKKolonial yt rebellion to steal TURTLE ISLAND from indigenous folx of kolor." For those of you who don't smoke crack though, maybe we might have a chat about what America's revolution changed both for better and worse. Contrary to what you might expect, Soviet intellectuals tended to look at the American war for independence in a critical yet largely positive light: >The American Revolution, which in its own time was the model of a revolutionary war, exerted an influence on the struggle of the European bourgeoisie against feudal absolutist regimes. Approximately 7,000 European volunteers fought in the ranks of the American army, including the Frenchmen the Marquis de Lafayette and H. Saint-Simon and the Pole T. Kosciuszko. During the Great French Revolution the insurgents made use of the organizational experience and revolutionary military tactics of the Americans. The victory of the North Americans in the American Revolution promoted the development of the liberation movement of the peoples of Latin America against Spanish domination. The revolution was hailed by the progressive people of many countries, including Russia, where A. N. Radishchev celebrated it in the ode “Liberty.” https://espressostalinist.com/2016/02/15/the-great-soviet-encyclopedia-on-the-american-revolution/?fbclid=IwAR3VFLGZfmdbBNKOtLweSsjHq4whdj_roJ2PspTb46vPl0n6o3bfh2xQ2EY Hell, even Lenin himself recognized that the victory of the colonists against British domination was a progressive development in history, even if it required occasional steps backwards, as all revolutions do: >I shall not hesitate one second to enter into a similar “agreement” with the German imperialist vultures if an attack upon Russia by Anglo-French troops calls for it. And I know perfectly well that my tactics will be approved by the class-conscious proletariat of Russia, Germany, France, Britain, America—in short, of the whole civilised world. Such tactics will ease the task of the socialist revolution, will hasten it, will weaken the international bourgeoisie, will strengthen the position of the working class which is defeating the bourgeoisie. The American people resorted to these tactics long ago to the advantage of their revolution. When they waged their great war of liberation against the British oppressors, they had also against them the French and the Spanish oppressors who owned a part of what is now the United States of North America. In their arduous war for freedom, the American people also entered into “agreements” with some oppressors against others for the purpose of weakening the oppressors and strengthening those who were fighting in a revolutionary manner against oppression, for the purpose of serving the interests of the oppressed people. The American people took advantage of the strife between the French, the Spanish and the British; sometimes they even fought side by side with the forces of the French and Spanish oppressors against the British oppressors; first they defeated the British and then freed themselves (partly by ransom) from the French and the Spanish. https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1918/aug/20.htm

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>>670749 I mean Canada eventually got independence so I don't think the idea of America getting dominion status and eventually full independence is so crazy.
>>670751 This isn't some special accusation against them, it's an acknowledgment of the fact that literally all land "owned" everywhere from America to Europe has been stolen or genocided from someone pretty much continuously. And leaving the issue of "ownership" aside, there's the fact this land didn't just magically churn out productivity, but had to be laboriously cultivated, for the most part from a completely undeveloped state.
>>670749 America was absolutely different from any other British possession as it was populous, richly endowed with resources, and growing rapidly. Gibraltr was in a geostrategically vulnerable area that needed to be held militarily. It was also never ethnically British but multicultural in composition.
>>670741 >Also you have a pretty rosy view of pre-capitalist society m8. I don’t It’s just well-known that Enlightenment writers were almost entirely full of shit when describing the middle ages and played it up as way worse than it actually was Considering the century of war, genocide, and unspeakable horrors that was the 20th Century, all culminating in the trigger of the Sixth Mass Extinction and the creation of weapons that could wipe out civilization; I struggle to see how capitalism is actually “better” than feudalism in absolutely ANY way other than creating industrial technology And even then, the bourgeois has used industrial technology to: >Fight the worst wars in human history >Industrialize genocide >Create unheard of surveillance techniques >Enslave humans to the sweatshop factory >Cause a slow rolling ecological crisis that directly threatens the existence of humanity I truly don’t see what communists gain by idolizing 200 year old revolutions as though it’s goddamned 1848
>>670741 >And it also couldn't stand on its own without free white labourers. Just like the South African savages could have never built all that industry without the parasitic layer of white workers helping to exploit them? Just like how modern America could never stand on its own without cops keeping the working class in its place?

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gommunism ebil Anonymous 07/06/2020 (Mon) 14:07:13 No. 670421 [Reply] [Last]
<HURR DURR IF COMMUNISM IS ANTI ESTABLISHMENT WHO DONT THE JOOS EVER MAKE A MOVIE ABOUT THE HOLODOMO- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr_Jones_(2019_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitter_Harvest_(2017_film) I DONT EVER WANNA HEAR /POL/ BITCH ABOUT THIS EVER AGAIN in the late 2010s theres a ton of movies/tv series coming out about how gommunism is evil so SHUT THE FUCK UP POLTARD
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>>670460 I mean they made a movie about a literal racist Nazi rapist and put Tom Cruise at the role because he tried to kill Hitler that one time.
>>670421 The arguement that hollywood never critiques leftism is one of the stupidest things the right says. As you pointed out the list goes on, but it's only natural that Hollywood one of the most capitalist industries would rail against leftism/communism.
>>670723 Anon Nazis literally understand leftism as when you don’t hate blacks, gays, women, and jews
I would even argue that Hollywood treats Nazis better than Communists. Nazis are usually depicted as competent, glamorous evil geniuses while the USSR is typically shown as a starving peasant shithole. Most /pol/tards are what they are because they grew up consooming media that shows Nazi Germany as a cool evil empire.
>>670723 These mfs have literally never watched Rambo before.

Anonymous 07/02/2020 (Thu) 14:57:09 No. 661184 [Reply] [Last]
#BREAKING: Jeffrey Epstein confidante, British socialite and heiress Ghislaine Maxwell, has been arrested by the FBI https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/ghislaine-maxwell-arrested-jeffrey-epstein-aide/2495762
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>>662350 What a disingenuous reply
>>663388 >>663411 "Gradually I began to hate them"
>>666401 >who the fuck okays a headline like this I don't know, but I know a feminist wrote it.
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>>666401 Ah! I just watched this https://invidio.us/watch?v=uqS4KanHgtY and I thought about coming here to see if some anons picked that article up. Well, I guess the Roo pretty much tells everything that has to be said about that pile of crap. Also, please always use a web archive to link to the Guardian, it's a liberal, Nato, zionist cesspool and you don't want to give it views. >>670519 <Edgy. >>670533 It's in the "comment is free" section, so that gives plausible deniability to the editors of that rag, while effectively spreading that crap.
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Loophole in socialism Anonymous 07/05/2020 (Sun) 18:19:02 No. 668563 [Reply] [Last]
Let's say we're in socialism. Now someone takes their spaceship and goes into space and expeirences time dilation. Doesn't matter how, maybe a small black hole opened up close by or they fly fast around the sun or something. Anyway, while 4 months pass here on earth, they experience 66 years in their space. All these 66 years they spend laboring. Now when they return to earth after 66 years(only 4 months for us), they demand to be compensated for 66 years of labor. How are they not justified in becoming a new king and being entitled to all of society's labor, at least until their 66 years of labor is paid off? How do we prevent this from happening in the future? Someone will attempt it.
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>>668962 clever move, just link a wikipedia article that doesn't address your claim but appears to be related so anon has to read it all to see you're full of shit.
There is no problem with this. their 66 years of labour would be added to the rest of society, so compensating them for this labour wouldn't make anyone any poorer. Indeed, the mechanism in the OP is to a large degree essentially what automation does (makes 66 years of labour accomplishable in 4 months), so your argument is akin to saying that automation breaks socialism. I assure you it doesn't.
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>>668563 Well OBVIOUSLY you fucking PHILISTEIN, by the time this becomes a serious concern the dialectical relationship between hours worked and value produced will have developed to the point that human beings only perform labor from the center of black holes where time collapses in on itself and currency can only exist as a metaphysical concept devoid of any material manifestation thereby rendering the work-day everlasting and everybody possesses infinite money. I'm sure you've already deduced that unlimited money supply would mean inflation runs rampant in this space economy but you should know this question was already covered in Das Kapital volume 163 which Karl Marx wrote in an alternate timeline where cybernetics were developed in 1864 rendering him an immortal deity. Who the fuck doesn't know these things?
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>>668939 >>668944 >neoclassical shit < A commodity is, in the first place, an object outside us, a thing that by its properties satisfies human wants of some sort or another. The nature of such wants, whether, for instance, they spring from the stomach or from fancy, makes no difference.[2] Neither are we here concerned to know how the object satisfies these wants, whether directly as means of subsistence, or indirectly as means of production. - Karl fucking Marx, Capital Volume 1 So sick of pseudo-Marxists on this board pretending you know what the fuck you’re talking about. just use google before you make these baseless claims you picked up on an anonymous website.

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why the fuck alt right loves russia Anonymous 07/06/2020 (Mon) 09:08:51 No. 669869 [Reply] [Last]
what is the main reason these filthy right wing extremists love russia so much?because they helped trump to come in power?or for support of monarchist scum named romanov?
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>>670396 >Yes gamer It's called Nordic gamer dude.
>>669869 since fucking when? nazis hate slavs and want to enslave them. read alfred rosenberg before posting anything related to nazis.
>>669898 >t. hohol just say it, anon. don't be afraid of yourself being brainwashed.
>>670448 Not Ukranian fuck Ukraine too
>>670396 Meme culture is a fucking mistake.

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Is there a Socialist or Communist view on futures contracts or derivatives in the markets? Anonymous 07/06/2020 (Mon) 15:38:27 No. 670568 [Reply] [Last]
Pretty much summed up my question in the subject. Am fairly new to learning about leftist and Marxist politics and economics - so thought I'd just ask. Basically an example of a derivative would be put and call options on an equity. You're sort of 'betting' on whether it'll go above or below a certain price by a certain date - and it also functions as a quasi-futures contract where you become eligible to buy or sell at the price if certain things happen in the price action. There's not really much labor behind these derivatives, as far as I can tell but their value can be very high. Futures contracts in and of themselves are agreements to deliver for example, crude oil, on a certain date or within a certain month, at a certain price per barrel. When these futures contracts are traded in an open market like the CBOE or CME (see E-Mini WTI Crude Oil Futures Contracts), the 'free market' dictates what the contracts are worth. Just within the past couple months we saw this go negative for that specific commodity. OK, thank you.
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>>670572 massively negative sum game if you consider externalities
>>670572 I read once some article (or video idk) about mercantilism that claimed it was times when trade was zero-sum game and luckily we are past that...
>>670657 I was saying that they claimed that trade is no more (or less) zero-sum game which I found funny considering the gross wealth inequality we have now even with "fair" capitalism. Also yeah, the expansion of fictitious capital did give capitalism fake cloak of fairness
>>670671 Thanks. Pretty much be out the rest of the day appreciate the answers and will check the thread later tonight.

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The Gervais Principle Anonymous 07/06/2020 (Mon) 13:48:17 No. 670348 [Reply] [Last]
It isn't really related to left politics, but have you read this? What did you think? https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-or-the-office-according-to-the-office/
Yeah, and it's interesting. The tl;dr is that it explains the internal dynamics of corporate workplaces. IMO there's probably good material here for analysis of how the workplace is totalitarian.
it’s liberal stupidity. people don’t need to be sociopaths to order other people to kill millions when their ideology does that for them.
>>670437 They're not (necessarily) sociopaths, just functional ones. You didn't say anything in disagreement with the piece.

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Question Anonymous 07/06/2020 (Mon) 15:47:30 No. 670583 [Reply] [Last]
Everytime i tell someone i am a Marxist-Leninist people always tell me that Karl Marx is racist, how do i defend myself whenever this happens?
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>>670690 *on Lassale to Engels
>>670649 There's a lot of stupid people out there. No doubt the stupidist are those who denigrate Marx and Engels as just some white men and how we need to: >Develop new theories (they never actually suggest any, what they want is social democracy with affirmative action) >Centre minorities and progressive stack (ignore the fact that Marxism was most popular in the third world with people struggling against Imperialism) Honestly, anti-Marxism is true racism
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>>670719 >Honestly, anti-Marxism is true racism Memes aside, this is unironically true. The serious study of marxism leads one to drop racial idiocy. If one doesn't understand marxism, then inevitably, one will: >ignore racial differences of behavior/intelligence/etc or > ""respect"" different races and cultures (ie. patronize the noble savages) Liberals do both all the fucking time and it's fucking disgusting. >>670612 What did Marx say about Mexicans? I read some things he wrote about the Mexican revolution and if I remember correctly, he predicted some things that eventually did come to pass in relation to debt with France.
>>670753 By ignore, I meant hand wave it away, but have it in the back of your mind.

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