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For New Anons and Lurkers: FAQ, rules, and reading list Anonymous Board volunteer 07/05/2020 (Sun) 20:23:05 No. 668788 [Reply] [Last]
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>>886066 man, shut up. how many years before captcha did you even start posting? fuck off, kid.
>>886171 (me hol' up did you actually think I was referring to Marcus Aurelius, or are you so autistic that using the term tripfag over namefag actually bothers you? lmao
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>>886226 I am >>883996 but not >>886066. I thought that you were talking about Marcus Aurelius at first instead of the namefag.
>>886171 2006 after lurking for a year if you can't differentiate between names and trips you should just fuck off
>>886586 so you're autistic. post your oldest image.

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Doesn't revisionism being a threat mean that something is very fundamentally flawed? Anonymous 09/21/2020 (Mon) 00:09:47 No. 886856 [Reply] [Last]
If your system is even capable of being dismantled by a handful of people at the head of it, doesn't that mean your system is fundamentally flawed in the first place? Doesn't the simple existence of the constant threat of "revisionism" prove at least some of the anarchist criticisms of the state?
I honestly agree with anarchist criticisms of the state, at least the classical anarchists. But they're idealist criticisms. I'm a pragmatist or else I'd be an anarchist.

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Most retarded anti-ltv arguments Anonymous 09/18/2020 (Fri) 20:35:04 No. 879790 [Reply] [Last]
I'll go first >future money >investors >a job is voluntary
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>>880054 You can also see it as gaining its value from rent. You need to pay rent for the cellar where the wine is stored. If you can store 1000 bottles at a time and you keep those bottles for 1 year you sell them for price X, commensurate to the rent for a year. If, however you keep those bottles for 10 years, then you should sell them for a price 10X commensurate to 10 years of rent. Because otherwise, you could have sold in the same amount of time 10x more bottles of wine, so you gotta make up the difference with increased price for the old wine. Rent eventually boils down to labour so you eventually get to the same answer of taking more labour to maintain wine for longer, but this just gives another perspective on it. Another perspective would be to see the bottles of wine as an investment loan. Some bottles will go bad and will need to be thrown away, and the longer you keep them, the greater is the chance they will spoil, so you make up for the risk by increased the price on the successful bottles.
A joke thread about mocking Austrian School autists just turned into interpretation of passages in Capital. This makes me feel good about this board.
>>883214 stupid trооn
>>879828 "use value" is subjective as well >>881533 nobody thinks that the cost of production has literally no effect on prices it's just not the ONLY determinant of value
>>883164 That’s bullshit because any normal wine producers don’t fucking make one batch at a time because if they do so they’ll starve to death before the wine aged to the appropriate value or get spoiled. They constantly make new batches to both keep the bottling factory, packaging and everything else with constant capital flow and with that, a huge amount of labor with keeping watch with all the different production line going at the same time. They don’t just wait around until the wine is ripe for selling. That’s like saying farmers waiting for harvest don’t create value during that time, which inane and stupid. Marx’s vision was only true back when production of fermented products weren’t industrialized.

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Anonymous 09/20/2020 (Sun) 18:48:15 No. 885629 [Reply] [Last]
redpill me on Rojiava
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Anyone ever notice how it's only flagfags and tripfags that are fervently pro-rojava? >>885899 >>885890 Also still waiting for ONE response to this article out of the 300 posts they spammed this thread with.
>>886794 >that deal didn't exist you fucking retard. You've been told this over and over, they had a memorandom of understanding not a deal, the russians are also in talks with them about the oil and others. https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2020/09/20/2352403/us-military-tankers-smuggle-oil-from-syria-to-iraq-sources TEHRAN (Tasnim) – The US military has dispatched dozens of tankers the Jazira Region of the northeastern province of Hasakah to smuggle the Arab country’s crude oil, sources said. Local sources, requesting not to be named, told Syria’s official news agency SANA that a convoy of 30 tankers rumbled through al-Walid crossing border crossing on Saturday evening, and headed toward the Iraqi territory after being filled with crude oil. Since late October 2019, the United States has been redeploying troops to the oil fields controlled by Kurdish forces in eastern Syria, in a reversal of President Donald Trump’s earlier order to withdraw all troops there. The Pentagon alleges that the move aims to “protect” the fields and facilities from possible attacks by Daesh, ignoring the fact that Trump had earlier suggested that Washington sought economic interests in controlling the oil fields. Syria, which has not authorized the presence of the US military in its territory, says Washington is “plundering” the country’s oil. The presence of US forces in eastern Syria has particularly irked the civilians, and local residents have on several occasions stopped American military convoys entering the region.
>>886813 We should just be glad we don't have members of the Spartacist League in here saying that the only authentic anti-imperialist force in the Middle East is ISIS on account of their anti-Americanismm before wandering into another thread to defend NAMBLA.
>>886851 Buddy, there are syrian troops within Rojava. Lots of them. If they wanted the Americans gone, they could simply open fire. They don't knowing that selling oils to the US is a precondition for not getting Sadam'd

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🦅🗽 /USApol/ - United States Politics 💵🏈 Anonymous 05/26/2020 (Tue) 19:10:57 No. 531727 [Reply] [Last]
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>>886817 lol Man, it's you. Are you being paid? Like really, I cannot say anything accurately correct about the BBC news, because you bump-up with the narrative.
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>>886783 I dunno, maybe. I've actually gotten along with Chinese tourists I've met pretty well (although I don't work in hospitality). But reading complaints online for a few minutes, I see mentions of Chinese being loud and also spitting a lot. And I'm like, well, that just sounds like rednecks where I live. And the generation that is growing up now in China is like the first generation removed from being full-blown, blast-furnace rednecks and now they're heading out into the world and the government is trying its hardest to say "please don't spit!" on giant propaganda billboards on the road to the airport -- hypothetical example but a lot of this talk about building a "socialist spiritual civilization" is really a fancy way of trying to encourage people not to throw trash in the street, or spit, or defecate or urinate in public. Like good, moral, civilized behavior and yada yada. Western countries tend to do the same thing although in different ways. While shitting or pissing in public sounds barbaric, I grew up in the U.S. South and, like, you're driving down the road and you have to take a piss, you pull over and find a bush, you know? It's not a huge deal but if you're walking down the middle of the street in a major city and you decide to drop trough then that obviously isn't good. >>886718 I was in Amarillo, Texas one time and they have this exhibit there on the outskirts of town -- a series of old Cadillacs planted in the ground that anyone can paint on. It's very pomo and Amarillo is known for weird pomo stuff like that (oddly). Amarillo is a dusty pit stop along Route 66 and also smells like shit in the evening when it gets windy because 1/3 of U.S. beef production is around the town, and so particularized cow shit blows in and makes the whole town smell like shit. Annnnyways, there were these two young Brazilian guys who were driving across America, and they were there with a tiny quadcopter drone filming their adventures, and one guy was spraypainting an obnoxiously large Brazilian flag, to make the whole car basically look like a Brazil flag... and I thought that was obnoxious, because I find that kind of nationalism obnoxious. Probably voted for Bolsonaro. Anyways I thought it was funny they chose to symbolize their country as a beat-up old car that has implanted itself face-first into the ground. Morons.
>>886835 >Amarillo is a dusty pit stop along Route 66 and also smells light shit in the evening when it gets windy because 1/3 of U.S. beef production is around the town, and so particularized cow shit blows in and makes the whole town smell like shit. Well I know what point I'll bring up anytime I see a normie gasp in shock at the desolation of old Soviet industrial cities. >Probably voted for Bolsonaro. I urge Americans who have had contact with reactionary Brazilians to report any misbehavior of theirs to the police. I'm 100% serious. Getting a taste of ICE's concentration camps is the only chance those bastards will ever have any comeuppance at all. The behavior they have unabashedly displayed in the past few years as the Brazilian establishment soft-couped the barely-leftist government is what convinced me reactionarism in this day and age qualifies as a personality disorder.

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Anonymous 09/20/2020 (Sun) 15:20:29 No. 885137 [Reply] [Last]
How does /leftypol/ feel about Sweden? Right wingers keeps saying it is a cuck nation.
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Sweden is a weird one in my nation's history. They've consistently been shitty to us, practiced eugenics, made us into some north mongolian race that the nazis then adopted in their race science. Now they try to play the good boy card with the sheer amount of progressivism in their populace, all the while reactionary parts of the public remain and are still used by the ruling classes to terrorize workers. They had maoists one time like Scandinavia in general did at the time of the cold war which I think is interesting. Then theres the /pol/ Meme Sweden with jihadists building parallel societies with 70 no-go zones in major cities and women invite themselves to be raped by foreigners despite being feminists. Idk man
>>885137 >Right wingers keeps saying it is a cuck nation. It is a projection area for anyone. Latest brain fart was from some who The Sun called Tegnell the 5:th member of ABBA. - A fucking band that hasn't been culturally relevant since 1983! You don't have to be smart at all to get that this is just a projection and displacing of guilt. Because UK fudged it just as Sweden. And this goes for all americans of all political persuations. Someone hears that we've got tax funded daycare. ZOMG!!11! A HIPPIE MECCA!!!!
Sweden used to be pretty socialist, but i guess there's not much left of it. They're now super "progressive" neoliberal anglo cucks. Why are they desperately trying to be even more neoliberal than burger neoliberals? I mean up there in the north neoliberalism is on another level even compared to Germany and Merkel is neoliberal as fuck. Reactionaries/fascists are on the rise in Sweden too afaik.
>>885137 Swedish libruls are going viking levels of tard. Also they need to virtue signal to Africa and the Middle East to "establish relations" for market access and market perks. Those... so-and-sos name drop stuff like thriving African and Muslim diaspora and intermarriages. So poltards might be gugged and not huwhide but arent wrong on libruls. They are wrong on conflating them with socialists, communists and anarchists.
>>886116 It a fad that is fading away.

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Micahel Roberts confirms socialism by 2050 Anonymous 09/20/2020 (Sun) 18:37:37 No. 885591 [Reply] [Last]
https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2020/09/20/more-on-a-world-rate-of-profit/ >So will the rate of profit eventually fall to zero and what does that mean? Well, if the current rate of secular fall in the G20 economies continues, it is going to take a very long time to reach zero – well into the next century! Among the G7 economies, however, if the average annual fall in profitability experienced in the last 20 years or so is continued, then the G7 rate will reach zero by 2050. Fresh take from Michael Roberts, world rate of profit to hit 0 by 2050. However he leaves us an important warning. >But of course, there could be a new period of revival in the rate of profit, probably driven by the destruction of capital values in a deep slump and by a severe restriction on labour’s share of value by reactionary governments. Preventing WWIII needs to be a critical goal of communists around the world.
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>>885591 Big if true. I'll be 56 years old by then.
>>886000 Trips for truth.
>>886000 There's also this from the Ayn Rand institute: >Unless Both U.S. and Chinese Political Leaders Decline to Carry Out Counterforce Strategies, the Ability of Either State to Control the Ensuing Conflict Would Be Greatly Impaired >Both sides would suffer large military losses in a severe conflict. In 2015, U.S. losses could be a relatively small fraction of forces committed, but still significant; Chinese losses could be much heavier than U.S. losses and a substantial fraction of forces committed. >This gap in losses will shrink as Chinese A2AD improves. By 2025, U.S. losses could range from significant to heavy; Chinese losses, while still very heavy, could be somewhat less than in 2015, owing to increased degradation of U.S. strike capabilities. >China's A2AD will make it increasingly difficult for the United States to gain military-operational dominance and victory, even in a long war. https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1140.html Basically porky advisors to the White House saying "uhm, we are not so sure about attacking China beyond 2025...."
>>885591 Socialism or barbarism by 2050, you mean.
>>886618 From an euroanon: France Italy Germany Canada Japan Us Uk (the space signal a big gap between one probability and the next)

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/crisis/ General Comrade 08/05/2019 (Mon) 07:43:55 No. 8552 [Reply] [Last]
DOW/Market Watch Thread
monitoring the market, trends, fluctuations, etc.
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>>886052 It may be the only option. Unless you think cyber marxism can exist without political persecution.
>>884469 I would expect an umbrella organization of multiple groups since there's no big one, and this mass organization is how mass organization truly consolidate themselves anyway. Also, America has a rather immense number of effective activist groups which aren't socialistic or even try to "remain apolitical", and this larger network could both benefit from their experience, improve their reach and, of course, radicalize them. >>884472 >Worthless, utterly worthless, just doomer nonsense <doesn't offer an alternative >>885073 Which does remind me of so-called high demand groups, a half-technical, half-euphemistical term for cult and similar organizations. For reasons obvious, they thrive like flies on shit during times of distress, and America just entered one without an end in sight. Not to mention it has always been rife with groups like those even during prosperous times. You Burgers might want to keep this in mind, in case a friend or relative starts drifting towards such traps. >>885248 >>885287 >>885460 Well financing will always be our greatest obstacle, I guess. The Black Panthers worked miracles in this sense, they might provide valuable lessons. Part of it came from drugs, which, despite providing the existing system with more opportunity for more deathly confrontations against people in their sleep (RIP in F Hampton), also invites all sorts of trouble due to its nature. Managing such an activity would require an extremely disciplined group, which the American left seems to lack right now.

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>>886407 Oh, one thing I forgot to add. Due to the absurdly high unemployment, there will be plenty of people with spare time to work on this strategy "full-time" as it were, so long as the organization in charge can provide for them. Of course, this shouldn't mean recruitment in exchange for room and board or somesuch, which, besides being absurdly exploitative, would undermine the whole effort. Revangelism should be done by true believers, to stick to religion anaogies, or by professional revolutionaries, in our jargon.
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>>886407 Fix'd
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>>886575 Now that's a meme I haven't seen n a long time.

Poor people have the right to help themselves. Anonymous 09/20/2020 (Sun) 20:51:59 No. 886132 [Reply] [Last]
I'm not a communist, but I do agree with the main Marxist axiom: we must kill the rich and seize their capital for ourselves. Poor people have the right to help themselves. Theft/looting is morally justified. Generally poor people are the victims of the society, which left them poor. So theft is self defense.
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>>886542 That hatred and anger will get you nowhere in life. I'm letting your hatred absorb into me and then reflecting it back at you in a beam of light that is helping you feel better, helping you heal, and helping you be at peace.
>>886555 Maybe apply critical thinking bro?
>>886132 based and kahinapilled
>>886132 The slave can never steal from the slave owner. He can only ever decide to stop letting the slave owner in on what he has produced. There is no justice or injustice to this act, there is only degrees of effectiveness. OP is based and people telling him that he's wrong are indeed sophists. Reading is to reinforce the understanding of this simple truth and how to go about achieving it in the most effective manner. Take the world back from the rich.

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/prc/ - People's Republic of China general Comrade 08/05/2019 (Mon) 12:39:50 No. 8925 [Reply] [Last]
A general thread for all China related discussion
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>>886502 Its not even really individualism, its just this annoying, incessant "it cant happen here" arrogance
>>886539 Also, they'd already been socked in the gut by prior SARS strains recently.
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>>886187 burger society is picrel, except in one person
>>886745 That was in 2003, not recent.
The rightoids have stopped blaming jews for everything and now they are blaming China

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