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Harry Potter Anonymous Comrade 05/14/2020 (Thu) 14:00:02 No. 9553
Its about time we talk about the connection between Harry Potter, Liberalism, and idpol. and also how JK Rowling is the biggest blair simp
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the virgin harry potter vs the chad skyrim
>>9555 Who is the war criminal this is in reference to?
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Jacobin also has some interesting take on the phenomenon https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/01/harry-potter-magic-liberalism-fantasy-fetishism Still gotta admit tho that I still like the movies (or at least the first three) a lot mostly because of nostalgia. The EA games were great too.
>>9557 Some ex-CIA guy that operated in Guantanamo wanted to get into PSL leadership iirc
>>9553 This entire thread is made up of some of the most shallow rad-lib takes. This isn't Dialectical analysis, this is just jumping on a Harry Potter Hate bandwagon "becuz dats wuts cool in leftypol" Idiots the lot of you. Actually post something new rather than cringe tweets and reposted effortposts/articles you scarcely understand yourselves.
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>>9560 >>9557 Yeah, I forget his name but the deal was that he refused to disclose what he did with the CIA, which pretty much guarantees he did worse shit than most people could imagine. >>9559 The movies are actually pretty bad in retrospect tbh. They're all over the place tonally and stylistically and most of the acting is terrible. The OG dumbledore was pretty ok, but when he died they replaced him with somebody who didn't understand the character or didn't care, and it's right at the time that the kid actors start to act better.
>>9565 >with somebody who didn't understand the character or didn't care The actor isn't to blame. The director is. A good series of reviews on the whole movie series is IKOTIKA who is really fun. The Dumbledore of the 3rd movie was the closest to the book version; funny and kooky, yet wise and clever.
>>9553 I don't know or care but I really wish you fags would stop The only "books" in my quarantine are these ones and the more I see these lib cringeposts the harder it will be disassociate
>>9564 Are you nigga seriously expect some kinda Marxist dialectical materialism analysis of fucking Harry Pothead? Lmfaoooooo go back to watching Jack Saint and Lindsay Ellis
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>>9564 https://samkriss.com/2016/09/13/jk-rowling-and-the-cauldron-of-discourse/ here you go, detailed analysis of why harry potter is reactionary
>>9553 If I liked Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality am I based and materialist or even worse than Rowlingfags?
>>9578 >Jack saint who the fuck is that? >Lindsay Ellis Who? The fact you know these people and I don't speaks more about you than me. >some kinda Marxist dialectical materialism analysis Yes you piece of whitebread. I've seen it done and quite well, because Harry Potter's world has a lot of interesting details when analyzed. FOR EXAMPLE, why a society that can quite literally make near-infinite supplies of food and other commodities, has very rigid systems of class.
>>9595 >FOR EXAMPLE, why a society that can quite literally make near-infinite supplies of food and other commodities, has very rigid systems of class. TBF magical items can't really be reproduced with effort (IIRC) and the whole society is based on your magical power and prestige and ability. The best jobs seem to be basically reserved for who is the best at magic too.
>>9595 >FOR EXAMPLE, why a society that can quite literally make near-infinite supplies of food and other commodities, has very rigid systems of class. They can't make things like food or money, but I wouldn't overanalyze Harry Potter's world: it doesn't make much sense anyway.
>>9607 >basically reserved for who is the best at magic too <Dolores Umbridge <Cornelius Fudge Really nigga? >>9609 >can't make things like food or money They can infinitely replicate food and multiply food as well as use charms like engorgio to increase the size of portion. >>9609 > it doesn't make much sense It does considering that the USA and other capitalist countries have similar oxymoronic organization
>>9595 >>9610 >marxism is when there's tons of free food It seems your gripe is that you like Harry Potter and you are desperately trying to rationalize how the series is actually based and commiepilled
>>9560 Jesus Christ how the fuck did they even entertain the thought of letting him even give out leaflets
>>9612 >marxism is when there's tons of free food Are you retarded? Where did I even imply this? Post-scarcity is a part of dialectical analysis, and I presented it as an example since charms that multiply and engorge food are stndard household abilities taught and known to even the poorest magic families. >you are desperately trying to rationalize how the series is actually based and commiepilled Where did I say that? I said that the series has plenty of interesting dialectical takes one can find in it. If you think that = "marxism" then you're the idiot here.
>>9591 >Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality Truly some of the most autistic writing ever put down by a human. Couldn't get past the first few chapters. Not that I disagreed with the point it was making, but Harry didn't have to be Sheldon from Big Bang Theory. >>9614 The DSA elected a union cop to some administrative position a few years back and there was a similar scandal. US orgs are just that retarded. >>9607 >>9595 I don't think the magic system is defined clearly enough to do any meaningful analysis of the economy in Harry Potter. If anything it seems like they don't have scarce material resources, but the spells they use function something like programming and everyone is protective of their intellectual property. Magical organizsms presumably have the value they do because wizards don't understand them well enough to synthesize or cultivate them. Supposedly the Malfoys hate the Weasleys for being poor, even though in theory the Weasleys could magic up a fancy house and all the material possessions they could want. They just choose to live in a ramshackle favela-tier house because it's comfy or something. And Rowling is happy to write about it in an idealized way, so presumably there's some kind of charm to that lifestyle and the real differences between wizard classes is purely aesthetic. It might as well be - there's no substantive class politics of in the series, just racism and discrimination. Hogwarts is some kind of boarding school yet even the lowest classes of wizard get in. Even kids with magic talent from outside the wizard class system get in. Meanwhile Harry inherited wealth from his parents but it never comes up except for enabling him to buy wizard commodities to show off the magic of the world. In a particularly bizarre scene in the first book/movie, Harry (very new to being a wizard) manages to fill Ron with wonder by buying some magical snacks with his money. Normally the fish out of water is the one being wowed, but even an outsider can wow the poormie wizards by waving money around. Shit, Harry isn't used to money either. He grew up living in a closet. Where did the Potters get their money? Where did the Malfoys? Why don't the Weasley's have any? There's not really an explanation for this AFAIK. Wealth doesn't seem to have any material basis in potterland.
>>9618 >Where did the Potters get their mone Skelegro and other medicinal shit as well as playing with the Muggle market. You're right over-all Rowling, while trying to make a rich and fun idealistic world of magic did miss quite a few major holes. It still fun to fantasize about tho.
>>9622 So Harry's parents are big pharma and day traders? That's even worse.
>>9618 >Magical organizsms presumably have the value they do because wizards don't understand them well enough to synthesize or cultivate them I think most of the rare magic items were made with parts of magic creatures. Because of reasons, the wizarding world is stuck in a pre-industrial phase where most production has to be done on an artisinal level and these products are only available to these rich.
I liked Caleb Maupin's interpretation. In his opinion the book is just a self expresion power fantasy by the GenXer hippie middleclass leff. Fundamentally it is a story about rebelious collage students fighting against the injust system, man. Scary racist rightwingers are the enemy along with the asshole other students, while the aurhority figures (ministerium) only hinder them. The good teachers are all hip and, and one of them is an oppressed minority (werewolf), while rhe favourite one is a gay cooky but wise old guy. And the dreams of the main characters are libshit as well, like Harry who wants to become an Auror (in my interpretation basically like wanting to become a good kind of lawmaker or other lawman who would change the rotten syatem, man). Anyway, I'm a bit tired, hope what I wrote is ledgible.
Honestly I don't think there is anything in particular that attracts liberals to Harry Potter. I just think that the majority of young adults and whatnot who post on twitter are liberal leaning; and Harry Potter is an extremely popular book series, one that many many people read when they were kids.
>>9638 >Harry's parents His dad's side yes.
>>9646 Fucking this. Harry Potter is by far one of the most popular series to exist. It has 2x the amount of fanfiction as the next most popular fandom - Naruto - and was written and made in the transition from the 90s to the 2010s, which is the demographic most young liberals come from.
>>9643 >Because of reasons, the wizarding world is stuck in a pre-industrial phase where most production has to be done on an artisinal level and these products are only available to these rich. It might be possible to reverse engineer the stupidity of the world building and justify this by saying that the rich people maintain their class superiority by preventing any scientific inquiry and restricting magical practice to superstitious or ritualistic methods. Mr. Weasley is kind of a pariah in the books for doing experiments, trying to learn from Muggles, and accepting muggle medicine. This doesn't make much sense though because they don't do much to enforce it like feudal societies used to do.
>>9651 >It has 2x the amount of fanfiction as the next most popular fandom - Naruto There's like half a million MLP fanfics.
Is Harry Potter an isekai?
>>9659 Sort of... its still "this world" but its an almost Alternate Dimension
>>9658 >half a million MLP fanfics Fanfiction.net has 778K non-crossover HP fanfictions alone, that's not including AO3 and Adult.fanfiction.net and HarryPotterFanfictionArchive which collectively reach 1 million fanfictions. That's ignoring the hundred thousand or so MA fics deleted in 2012. Naruto has 408K non-crossover fics on fanfiction.net and numerous others on adultfanfiction.net, AO3 and Narutofic.org as well as some other sites. All together they reach roughly 1/2 a million. MLPs biggest source of fanfiction is (I think) called Fimfiction which I don't have the numbers on. MLP has roughly 31.1K fanfictions on FF.net and roughly half that on AO3
>>9670 How many of those HP fanfictions are Obama visits Hogwarts?
>>9700 yES. cOPE
>>9698 None that I know of
>>9553 The thing that irked me the most about Harry Potter is how Harry is rich as fuck, with literally pīles of gold at Gringotts, yet he gets awesome, free shit all the time (cloak, broom), while Ron, who is poor as fuck, has to get by with garbage despite being Harry's best friend. Harry laughs at Ron when his broken wand nearly kills him. "You need a new wand Ron, haha, (thinks:) too bad you can't afford it, you poor, disgusting shit ". For the prom gala thing, he lets Ron go in his aunt's robes. Like dude, get your friend a suit at least. But this just shows JK Rowling's worldview that everyone has their position in life and the key is to make the most of it (Ron's parents are always happy and positive). Only way to change your conditions is to do something impressive or marketable like invent joke spell trinkets that people want to buy or write some books. If you don't have a special talent then you're just condemned to whatever your socioeconomic position is. I see it mentioned as a criticism that Rowling praises elite education in Hogwarts, but she isn't, she is praising public education. That is why the school is constantly falling apart and why Voldemort is just the Tory boogieman (eugenics, black, "death eaters", we're-coming-for-the-NHS and we're going to destroy public education). The education is there to give you the basic knowledge so that you can utilise your talents. Hermione, for all her book-learning, doesn't become anything amazing, like a minister of magic, she just gets a job, and marries Ron, the working class idiot of the group. Harry marries Ron's sister (again, poor) and becomes a cop. Fred and George drop out and become successful. Meaning that once you've had enough education to join the market you should. Hermione is the most educated and she's poorer than Fred and George. It's the liberal, free market ideology where all institutions are just offerings on the market. Education isn't something that should give structure, but something that is to be utilised by people to the best of their ability, just like one utilises places, friendships and people (Harry is only able to do what he does because there are people willing to do shit for him without him even asking or sometimes knowing they did it, see: the whole plot of the series). In fact, turns out, had Voldemort been able to kill Harry sooner he would have killed himself sooner, because of the whole linked souls thing. Everyone protects Harry because it's the "right thing to do" and that's really the fantasy of Harry Potter, that everyone will work together when the time comes and calls for it. It's what gives liberals this false sense of security, that people "just do the right thing" when necessary because of some inherent, shared feeling of belonging to our society. Neville Longbottom is the backup, meaning that someone will come along. If not Harry, then someone else, if not Churchill, then some other stout Englishman. Rowling sees "good" and "evil" not as a particular set of material circumstances which we consider good or evil, she sees them as real forces in the world and the most important thing is to choose the right side, stiff upper lip and a happy disposition, and don't try to change the status quo, stay in your lane and make the most of your station in life that is determined for you by birth. >>9656 It's explained by claiming that wizards basically think they're better than muggles and therefore can't learn anything from them. They patronise muggles and protect them like children who don't understand what's going on around them. And "scientific" inquiry in the wizarding world is allowed, you had Nicholas Flammel and others. Their inquiry must be about magic, though, it's kind of like how modern universities look down on Marxism (or STEM on humanities). It's all very elitist. It's how when Europeans went to Africa, India, Central America, declared everyone who wasn't European savages and uncivilised, didn't even bother to understand the different cultures or think that they may learn something from them. Not saying Rowling is promoting this view, but she doesn't condemn it either, it's just how it is, she understands it and everyone accepts it. Remember, despite defeating "evil" and everything just goes back to the way it was, "the end of history". In Rowling's Potterworld the Hogwarts Express is forever the same and always on time. In the beginning of Chamber of Secrets, Harry and Ron miss the train because it leaves exactly on time.
>>9714 > don't try to change the status quo Isn't it cool that Hermione is the only one who realizes that slave labour is wrong and is treated as crazy and hysteric for it? And she's a muggle born too. Isn't it cool that Arthur Weasley, the only wizard interested in muggle society, is poor and portrayed as strange?
>>9714 Now that I think about it Harry having Ron as his best friend is some kind of class-collaboration meme, isn't it? It's like when wokies try to address class by saying that poverty is VALID and needs to be REPRESENTED instead of as a problem to be solved. >Fred and George drop out and become successful. Meaning that once you've had enough education to join the market you should. I'm not up on my Harry Potter lore, but all the main characters drop out in the last book. I don't know if Hermione goes back to finish school or something, but they are ALL dropouts. >Everyone protects Harry because it's the "right thing to do" and that's really the fantasy of Harry Potter, that everyone will work together when the time comes and calls for it. This is actually ripped off from LotR. Tolkien called it "eucatastrophe," the idea that evil plans would unravel because people choose to do the right thing while villains anticipate they will be selfish. It's the whole idea of "The only thing required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." But it falls apart if the villain is savvy enough to plan according to good people trying to be good (like SJWs/wokies) or if people are socialized thoroughly enough to be selfish pricks (like lolberts).
>>9715 I don't think there's anything that ameliorates the chattel slavery thing, but Arthur Weasley being a nerd about muggle stuff ends up being helpful a number of times. It saves his own life when he accepts experiments in muggle medicine, and the car saves Harry and Ron from the spiders.
>>9715 You literally copy-pasted this, which got rebuked on leftypol before. Unlike >>9714 you're just being pretentious.
>>9733 cope
>>9740 >cope no argument
I like the way magic functions in Harry Potter. One can criticize Rowling for many things however magic is where she did rather creatively in her series (at least initially), often referred back to moments written prior to expand on them indirectly. I'd like to compare this to 2 other fantasy series; Lord of the Rings and Young Wizards. First the LOTR-verse: It has magic but more passive, acting rarely as a semi-divine ability. It makes the Elves, Dwarves and Wizards live MUCH longer and have abilities and talents (physical included) unavailable to mortal men. It also allows for minor spells (light, fire etc.) and is more atmospheric and internal. It is very weak compared to most magic in other media. This is a low-magic fantasy approach and is fine for a work like LOTR but it also takes away the sheer wonderment of a fantasy setting. In layman's terms LOTR magic is largely spiritual, and grants minor 'stat boosts' to objects and people of magical descent The second mentioned here >>5963 Young Wizards, written by Diane Duane, has plenty of power/creativity in the magic (and variety dependent on species and situations) however the approach is so clinical it becomes a bit bland, using calculations into the territory of Physics. In other words, stops being magic, becoming a "magic is unknown science" meme. Magic has its rhyme and reason, but the point is that it ISN'T science, but mystics that work with the metaphysical with low-medium reality-warping. An example from the Second Book Deep Wizardry, SPOILERS: "...characters appeared. "Okay, print four eight zero times twenty... Good, print nine six zero zero divided by three... Great. Cubic meters... uhh... Oh, crap. Kit, what's the volume of a cylinder again?" "V equals pi times r squared times the height." "That's it. Now how did I do this before?" Nita chewed her lip a little, thinking..." The excessive calculations needed for the magic makes it lose its mystery and the sheer complexity makes it hard to write and thus spells are rarely detailed (the excerpt above an exception). Other times the magic follows NO such complexity or logic; later on in the same book the binding magic needed is from an operatic theatre (though this can be explained with the fact that this magic is done by whale wizards). https://www.e-reading-lib.com/bookreader.php/150853/diane-duane-deep-wizardry.pdf In Harry Potter Magic works primarily through intent and belief. One feels the magic, working in the flow, leading to how well it turns out. For example Potioneering; rather than scientific chemical reactions it is a reaction based on mythological properties and their internal "stories" imbued with magical energy and how they interact. An interesting description comes from, a well written Xover fanfic called Umino Iruka and the Will of Fire by Leicontis; recently finished and a delightful read for fans of Harry Potter and Naruto, but I digress. On Chapter 38 we get the following from Professor McGonagall, "The Study of Ancient Runes is, in earlier years, primarily a language course. Students learn to decipher various runic languages, and to scribe and engrave runes themselves. In its later years the class begins to cover the usage of runes in magic, a topic not entirely dissimilar to the 'seals' you are all familiar with. Runes are primarily used in the creation and anchoring of long-term and permanent magical effects upon objects and locations. A thorough grounding in Runes is therefore essential for any profession involving the creation of such effects, such as warders and enchanters, or the dismantling of existing effects by cursebreakers and the like." "Arithmancy begins with basic numerology, the study of the magical properties of numbers and how they interact with each other and with magic and the world. At more advanced levels, the course covers the calculations involved in understanding magical effects. These calculations are essential in the crafting of new spells and potions, and in analyzing existing magics. Aspiring warders, enchanters, and cursebreakers again will find this field essential, but so will spellcrafters, Potions masters, and others that seek to research magic and its many mysteries." "Care of Magical Creatures is essentially a counterpart to Herbology. In it, students learn about many forms of magical fauna, though some creatures are discussed more in Defense Against the Dark Arts. Obviously, anyone who might wish to work with magical beasts of any sort would be well-advised to take this class. This not only includes the more apparent careers, such as dragon-handling or magizoology, but also wandmaking and others that utilize parts or products from magical creatures. A Potions master would thus benefit from such knowledge, as would a master Herbologist." The excerpt beautifully summarizes the sheer potential of magical creativity created by Rowling, which she ironically only scratched the surface of, but fans and fanworks have eagerly delved in. Later in the fic during the Horcrux Hunt the methods in breaking down Voldemort's defenses and his response to the shinobi's abilities allow for a creative demo of fan-made and canon spells and their use in quick succession. Another example of this is shown in the fanfic Divided and Entwined by Starfox5, where a good example is a lengthy arc dedicated to deciphering mysterious Houngan Necromancy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_in_Harry_Potter https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Magic https://www.hp-lexicon.org/spells-and-potions/ Unfortunately, the whole Chosen One story in the Canon Harry Potter books began to escalate, the magical side of things became side-material and thus ground to a halt in terms of new things introduced or prior mentions being expanded. This is the problem the Young Wizards series also faces. Each book has a specific set of antagonists and protagonists and a certain goal that must be reached. Magical items mythical and original are found and new spells used in situations, but magic itself is rarely explored or given understanding. Due to the physics-like nature of the 'Book-magic' one would assume it is limited by physics and calculation and thus cannot be used inventively without careful longterm study (like runes/arithmancy) and lacks others like Charms, Jinxes, Curses, Hexes, and Transfiguration. Mythical creatures are either aliens or deities in mortal animal disguise, potions are nigh non-existent etc. Then there is the magic of the whales which is done with singing/opera which comes from the heart and thus requires writing similar to a Musical play, which is hard enough as it is. It is both too specific and too vague and thus cannot be expanded on by fans without, essentially creating almost an original work entirely. It essentially tries the "alchemy" shtick of Full Metal Alchemist, without actually showing enough to have a real grasp of it, and because it's deconstructed scientifically you cannot wonder/let your mind run-wild, as you hit certain blocks. LOTR lacks this issue because magic was never big in its story in the first place, the quest(s) being told were what's important, but when looking for prominent magical ability in a story you can't have this either. TL;DR: Harry Potter's magic system is defined, yet fluid enough that creative license can be used freely without fearing contradiction of in-universe rules. This allows for the most important part of a fantasy's world-building; the imagination of the audience to take hold and develop it further, past the main story and characters, without everything being scientific or weak or vague. >Inb4 HP has a weak Magical system Debatable and irrelevant as Magical function and system aren't the same. A large point of magic being MAGIC. Magic has changed in modern view. In the past that which couldn't be rationally explained was 'magic' or 'divine' however this was also embellished with legend/myth, so that real science behind it has long been expanded into a new realm. Today it has evolved further to embody, first and foremost, the power of imagination and willpower put into direct ability; magic.
>>9560 Was it Mike Prysner? He needs to stick to podcasts and personal atonement
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>>9715 >Muh hermione bleeding heart put down! >Muh slaves! See >>8956 An in depth take on the whole House Elf issue: https://www.resetera.com/threads/hermione-the-sjw-because-the-house-elves-are-being-fucked.97580/ Another well written argument pointing out the idiocy of taking S.P.E.W. as direct allegory for slavery: https://aminoapps.com/c/harry-potter/page/blog/welfare-does-not-equal-freedom-hpa-debate-against/nlTL_uMNwZqMjnXrJvjYoWWdpmN81e >>10154 >mysterious Houngan Necromancy In other words, negromancy.
>>9646 /thread
>>9553 Obama would have dronebombed Harry Potter in that diner he met his friends in after the wedding was attacked by fascists. That literally happened to the son of that American citizen Obama assassinated. >>9591 >If I liked Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality am I based and materialist or even worse than Rowlingfags? Soulless libertarians are infinitely worse than liberal Christians. That fanfic is not fanfic, it's a complete negation of the compassion and liberation of those dumb books. >>9646 HP is a Christian anarchist story that obscures the working class and pretends nonviolence can stop fascism, it's the purest form of lib ideology possible.
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Reposting a Nuclear Take Voldemort represents Communism, ever since the 2016 US Elections, liberals have been eager to compare to Trump to all sorts of things: Adolf Hitler, President Reagan, and even Lord Voldemort. I am here to tell /leftypol/ that these comparisons are mistaken, as I will explain throughout the rest of this post. Voldemort's life and ideology actually have more in common with Lenin, Stalin, and that of the Soviet Union. Here is my reasoning: 1) At the beginning of Tom Riddle's journey into the Wizarding world, he is a very poor orphan with extreme talents in magic that were very unusual, far beyond the likes of mere charlatans like Hitler and Reagan. He considers death a "human weakness", as in, a contradiction innate to all men that he wished to overcome after suffering the death of his mother. He recognizes this contradiction, but does not yet recognize how to overcome it. His talented side mirrors Stalin's talents in religious knowledge as a young boy. His struggle mirrors Lenin and the death of his brother 2) In Tom Riddle's sixth year, he questioned Professor Horus Slughorn about a key to immortality, the Horcrux. this is considered forbidden, but known, knowledge by "high-ranking" individuals who were considered "loyal" to the traditions of the Wizarding world. Knowledge that would resolve the problems caused by death. Might I suggest this is most similar to the knowledge of Communism? Communism seeks to resolve the effects of exploitation by sublating them under a new system, one that requires class struggle and blood sacrifice. The horror on Professor Slughorn's face when Tom Riddle poses the question could basically be put in the context of a student asking a question about Communism to Slughorn's muggle, liberal counterpart. 3) After Tom Riddle discovers the Horcrux (Communism) he develops a new admiration for magic, putting it on a higher pedestal than he could've possibly imagined before. Historical necessity was calling to him. That is, the historical necessity of magic. The liberal interpretation of Harry Potter is that the muggles are, to put it bluntly, ethnics. But this couldn't be further from the truth. The muggles are in a privilidged caste of society that oppresses Witches and Wizards, forcing them into hiding and doing everything in their power to stop the development and integration of magic into the world. Tom Riddle comes to a fateful conclusion: in order for immortality to blossom, Witches and Wizards must overthrow the muggles and become the ruling class in society, forming a Dictatorship of the Witches and Wizards where magic can be integrated into it. The dynamic between muggles and wizards mirrors that of the bourgoisie and the proletariat. 4) Tom Riddle traveled abroad and experimented on the Dark Arts for 10 years. pushed magic to farther boundaries than they ever have been pushed. He developed his ideology and theory in order for the great revolution that would push the world into the next era of civilization. Much like Marx and Lenin during their banishment. "I have experimented; I have pushed the boundaries of magic further, perhaps, than they have ever been pushed —" 5) Voldemort started the First Wizarding War by taking advantage of one of the wizarding world's greatest weaknesses: the beings and creatures that they had persecuted. Giants and werewolves. The oppressed and outcast. This is not unlike how the Bolsheviks used the Jews in Russian society to their advantage: the Jews had been subject to open harassment in the Russian empire for decades, peaking during the recession caused by WW1. Lenin knew how to speak to the oppressed and the forgotten. Those that wanted a better society for themselves and for everybody. 6) In spite of the Death Eater party's threat to the established order of the Wizarding world: that of ethnic segregation and chattel slavery, the status quo was soon restored by the Order of the Phoenix and Dumbledore's army. The threat of Horcruxes and the violent outburts of the oppressed in wizarding society were soon considered to be extinguished and all but forgotten. Much like the Soviet Union and its ideology of Communism, which Capitalism replaced for good. Unless another wizard as powerful and ambitious as Voldemort should choose to discover it again...
>>10750 We need to make this the next "Is there a character that could even possibly EVEN TOUCH Madara Uchiha" meme >>10154 >no-one even replies to the enormous effort post except 1 joke a fat shame that is
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>>10876 >>10750 Is there a character that could even possibly EVEN TOUCH Madara Uchiha? Let alone defeat him. And I'm not talking about Edo Tensei Uchiha Madara. I'm not talking about Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara either. Hell, I'm not even talking about Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and Rinnegan doujutsus (with the rikodou abilities and being capable of both Amateratsu and Tsukuyomi genjutsu), equipped with his Gunbai, a perfect Susano'o, control of the juubi and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju's DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu. I’m also not talking about Kono Yo no Kyūseishu Futarime no Rikudō Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan (which is capable of Enton Amaterasu, Izanagi, Izanami and the Tsyukuyomi Genjutsu), his two original Rinnegan (which grant him Chikushōdō, Shuradō, Tendō, Ningendō, Jigokudō, Gakidō, Gedō, Banshō Ten’in, Chibaku Tensei, Shinra Tensei, Tengai Shinsei and Banbutsu Sōzō) and a third Tomoe Rinnegan on his forehead, capable of using Katon, Fūton, Raiton, Doton, Suiton, Mokuton, Ranton, Inton, Yōton and even Onmyōton Jutsu, equipped with his Gunbai(capable of using Uchihagaeshi) and a Shakujō because he is a master in kenjutsu and taijutsu, a perfect Susano’o (that can use Yasaka no Magatama ), control of both the Juubi and the Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju’s DNA and face implanted on his chest, his four Rinbo Hengoku Clones guarding him and nine Gudōdama floating behind him AFTER he absorbed Senjutsu from the First Hokage, entered Rikudō Senjutsu Mode, cast Mugen Tsukuyomi on everybody and used Shin: Jukai Kōtan so he can use their Chakra while they are under Genjutsu. I'm definitely NOT Talking about sagemode sage of the six paths Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Super Saiyan 4 Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, Rinnegan, Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, and Geass doujutsus, equipped with Shining Tvåldtäktzohedron while casting Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann as his Susanoo, controlling the Gold Experience Requiem stand, having become the original vampire after Alucard, able to tap into the speedforce, wearing the Kamen Rider Black RX suit and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju's DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu and having eaten Popeye's spinach. I'm talking about sagemode sage of the six paths Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Legendary Super Saiyan 4 Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, Rinnegan, Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, and Geass doujutsus, equipped with his Shining Tvåldtäktzohedron while casting Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann as his Susanoo, controlling the Gold Experience Requiem stand, having become the original vampire after having absorbed Alucard as well as a God Hand, able to tap into the speedforce, wearing the Kamen Rider Black RX suit, with Kryptonian DNA implanted in him and having eaten Popeye's spinach while possessing quantum powers like Dr. Manhattan and having mastered Hokuto Shinken.
>>10154 >>10876 I like your post anon. The magic in Harry Potter always seemed kind of like programming to me. Characters are able to invent new spells to do certain things they have in mind beforehand, so it's not simply discovering the spells that already exist. On the other hand, the teaching of magic seems to revolve around rote memorization of specific already-known spells. Half Blood Prince had one of the most interesting themes/plots with the idea of Snape going outside the box with magic while he was a student (against the rules) which fit into the larger theme about the wizards being closed-minded. It was pretty disappointing that magic never got much exploration later on. With the protagonist sloucher Harry it makes some sense, but Hermione and the various other characters would be a lot more likely to get inventive with magic. But the plot starts revolving around the backstory and magic that was already done years ago, so that doesn't really go anywhere. Harry continues casting expelliarmus throughout the series.
>>12067 Bloody this; all I ever hear from people is ether pure wank, or whining about the magic with little middle ground about the good parts and lack of exploration of the subject. Good to see someone else see that!
I'm upset it hasn't been brought up yet: https://www.strawpoll.me/20568082
>>12081 >Would you bang JK Rowling Yes, why the fuck not. It's not like I'm marrying her.
>oh shit hermione i didn't see you there >i'm just admiring the barren wasteland that we call earth - full of death, famine and expensive replacement earpads for sennheiser headphones. https://youtu.be/MM6MU73G1Lo
>>12085 Kek this is such a typical HP fanfic.
Debunking a hot take from someone >The Wizarding world lords over Muggles who are sub-human to them, thus Harry Potter is fascist The Wizarding World is not in control of the muggles, they live around them, fool them and hide FROM them, but cannot control them. The opinions of the upper elite of Wizarding kind comes from antiquated views created by the technological and socio-economic gap that magic causes, which makes medieval traditions stay alive so long.
>>9616 >Where did I say that? I said that the series has plenty of interesting dialectical takes one can find in it. wow...
Saw a based take on JoKe Rowling JK Rowling was in fact a prole when she started writing Harry Potter. Right up until she started collecting royalties for the IP she was a prole, and when she sold the movie rights for a huge cut she transitioned from petty bourgeois to full blown bourgeois. Even still she is just barely a billionaire, along with Paul McCartney and a handful of other very successful proles-to-start-with. This kind of social mobility is possible but exceedingly rare. But JK Rowling is bourgeois because of her ability to leverage her labor into class mobility, not because of the nature of that labor. Most writers are proles.
>>12081 Nah Too old
>>14711 Older women have better experience.
>>14703 >barely a billionaire
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>>12082 she's a blairite
>>14747 Would still bang, the disgust will make it just feel so much better.
I feel like there is a significant fandom built around hating Harry Potter and its fans ought of sheer edgy "I'm not like the mainstream" mentality, even when most people who say this either read it long ago or didn't read it at all and couldn't be arsed to filter ideology from simply enjoying a work of fantasy fiction.
>>15178 It's not so much Harry Potter itself as the fact that so many shitlibs love it.
>>15179 True, but too many band-wagoners shit-talk Harry Potter itself even when they actually know nothing. Like who, in their right mind, gives a fuck what some Twitter idiots say? People who make superficial Harry Potter comparisons almost make it obvious that they've done almost no reading in their lives. "Bad person = Voldemort" is the most blatant example of this, Voldemort was a puppet master trying to racially purify wizards from behind the scenes until he could gain enough power to openly lord over Britain. He was an obvious and fairly decent depiction of Hitler. If the person you're comparing Voldemort to was never attempting to be hidden, and not openly espousing how much they want to make a pure race through genocide, they're not Voldemort. This is irrelevant to the actual story's merits however. The first few were competent mysteries with good character interactions. Not great works of literature but head and shoulder above a majority of the young adult genre written in the past and following 2 decades. As the series went on it declined a bit, but was still interesting and its good parts were appreciable.
>>14747 Hate-sex then, what's the problem?
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>>10165 As an ironic side note. The constant reminders about elvish slavery and other wizard supremacy is actually proof that Hermione Granger cannot feasibly black. What dark-skinned muggle-born would be fighting for elfish welfare and NOT bring up Black Slavery even in passing? Especially given the dislike of Muggles by purebloods like Malfoy. Rowling may be a Blairite-liberal but she's probably more than aware about The Civil Rights Movement in the USA and slavery in the South (especially since chattel slavery in Britain was abolished shortly before the US Civil War). Also superficially in the description of the story dark-skinned characters are specifically noted (Lee Jordan, Angelina Johnson, Kingsley Shacklebolt, Dean Thomas), yet Hermione is never even implied to have dark skin. The closest being that line from PoA, "They were there, both of them, sitting outside Florean Fortescue's Ice-Cream Parlour, Ron looking incredibly freckly, Hermione very brown, both waving frantically at him." Which obviously describes a tanned hermione, again, something most black people can do, their Melanin levels are so high there isn't really much to tan up from. Black people CANNOT go pale or visibly blush after-all. Most famously when in Prisoner of Azkaban. J.K. Rowling herself states that Hermione "turned white" in that she "lost colour from her face after a shock." This is not exactly something any non-white - even a mulatto - can really visibly do as is described. A non-canon stage play is one thing, but a canonical description is another. It's the same rubbish as Rowling's "wizards shat themselves and vanished the mess" tweets or her statement of Dumbledore being gay; which gave all the Fujoshi the perfect reason to push their horrific slashfics as 'canon'. The idea of 'Hermione can be black in canon!' utter virtue signalling rubbish and to no tangible positive result, other than tumblrinas cheering about how 'the only Hermione they won't accept is a white one'. Trollops, the lot of them. Moreover Rowling's original drawings of Hermione depicted her as pale-skinned and caucasian-looking, and the film casting was handled by her in-part, meaning that if she had wanted a black Hermione she would have cast it. https://www.therowlinglibrary.com/2015/12/21/is-hermione-granger-white-or-black/
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>>10154 >In Harry Potter Magic works primarily through intent and belief. One feels the magic, working in the flow, leading to how well it turns out. I would also add emotion (and of course wand movement). Crucio failed to properly work on Bellatrix when Harry used it because his emotions were jumbled and he lacked the appropriate hate and vindicative emotions required. As Bellatrix explained, "You need to mean them, Potter! You need to really want to cause pain - to enjoy it - righteous anger won’t hurt me for long" This is later demonstrated in Deathly Hallows, when Harry uses it on Amycus Carrow after the bugger spits in McGonnagal's face “I see what Bellatrix meant,” said Harry, the blood thundering through his brain, “you need to really mean it”. This applies to all spells, especially powerful ones, the Moody imposter put it simply, "Avada Kedavra’s a curse that needs a powerful bit of magic behind it — you could all get your wands out now and point them at me and say the words, and I doubt I’d get so much as a nosebleed." This applies to non-Unforgiveables as well: - the Patronus Charm requires focus on a happy memory and positive emotion in general to even be produced, let alone be corporeal. - Wingardium Leviosa (a source of much humor) required specific wand movements, pronunciation and focus Even a broom required this, with sufficient confidence required for it to jump into ones hand
>>15255 >>10154 Emotion is more important than the wand or verbal/somatic components. Wandless/wordless magic (basically telepathy) is treated as a much more advanced version. IIRC someone explains that the stuff other than the thought and feeling is kind of like a mnemonic device that helps the user control the mental part. Probably from Half-Blood Prince, where they do the most exploring how magic works. The point is that if you're good enough and have mastery of your mind you can dispense with the flashy stuff and just shape the universe directly through your will. >>15214 >What dark-skinned muggle-born would be fighting for elfish welfare and NOT bring up Black Slavery even in passing? The kind written by J.K. Rowling. There's confirmed black characters at Hogwarts. Even if they're from the wizarding world, surely the wizards were aware of slavery... especially since some of the British wizards are black. How did they get there, did they all immigrate from Africa voluntarily in modern times? >Which obviously describes a tanned hermione, again, something most black people can do, their Melanin levels are so high there isn't really much to tan up from. Black people CANNOT go pale or visibly blush after-all. This isn't entirely true, it's just less visible depending on melanin level. Black people definitely can tan darker or go pale. It's just relative to the individual's normal skin tone. >The idea of 'Hermione can be black in canon!' utter virtue signalling rubbish and to no tangible positive result, other than tumblrinas cheering about how 'the only Hermione they won't accept is a white one'. Trollops, the lot of them. The wizards live in a more or less post-racial society (at least regarding human ethnicities) so it really doesn't matter what race the characters are for most purposes. If you wanted to adapt Hermione as explicitly black then yeah having her talk about IRL slavery relating to the house elves would be important. >Moreover Rowling's original drawings of Hermione depicted her as pale-skinned and caucasian-looking, and the film casting was handled by her in-part, meaning that if she had wanted a black Hermione she would have cast it. Doesn't she explicitly state the ethnicity of various nonwhite characters in the books? Dean Thomas and Lee Jordan are canonically black. So is Kingsley Shacklebolt. If Hermione is black presumably she would have been described as having dark skin like the comparatively minor black characters.
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>>15265 >Black people definitely can tan darker or go pale. It's just relative to the individual's normal skin tone True, but what I said is visibly. Heremione's nose goes red or cheeks blush or pale and at times this is stated as being seen at a distance. Such reactions are hard to see up-close on most dark-skinned people. Hell its hard to see on someone with a heavy tan, let alone full-time melanin layer. >did they all immigrate from Africa voluntarily in modern times? It's implied that Black wizards were very much free to operate in Europe and were not discriminated against. It's an interesting thing actually, the wizarding world care more about ACTUAL race (goblin, elf, troll, giant, centaur, werewolf) than superficial human race when being racist. >really doesn't matter what race the characters are for most purposes True, but then she should have been stated as such from the beginning. I don't care if a play adaptation is black, BUT there is a disconnection between the actress and the character when everyone who isn't a liberal assumes she's a white character, especially given the movie depiction and book illustrations, which Rowling had control over. >she explicitly state the ethnicity of various nonwhite characters in the books Yep, I listed that in the post I feel like anyone who isn't looking to be offended or virtue signal agrees on this. >Emotion is more important than the wand or verbal/somatic components True, however I think that unless one is a truly powerful magic-user (or a house-elf) wandless magic and emotionally-based magic, must have the supporting basis from which to work from. In other words as is seen with teaching students in 6th year to have nonverbal spell-casting (and point-casting) the ability to manipulate magic more freely must be learned through basic rules first. Also some magic relies on the absence of emotion, such as Occlumency. >mastery of your mind you can dispense with the flashy stuff and just shape the universe directly through your will Mastery being the keyword. Dumbledore was assuredly a master, yet even his wandless magic was not more powerful than wand-magic. Even a top-tier witch like Bellatrix or Hermione relied on their wands and Harry's few wandless moments were accidental or impulsive.
>>9578 >Lindsay Ellis I hate that skank so much. Tell me a place where I can shit on her.
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>>15267 Man fuck Rowling and her shitty world building. Why are some of the 1st year movements so much more intricate than later year? Is there a specific language to wand movement or is it just random memorization? Why are there such specific movements for random shit like turning a cauldron into a guitar? How does the movement of the wand correlate to what's being said, and how are spells developed? It woulda been cool (and consistent) if she took actual stuff from sign-language and turned them into a simple wand-language. polite sage for off topic
>>15279 Youtube. Also, (if there isn't one already) you could make an eCeleb general and rant on her there. >I hate that skan I don't like most of her radlib videos but a few are actually worth watching (for example her Cats deconstruction). >>15281 No need to sage, it's on topic. >Why are some of the 1st year movements so much more intricate than later year? Is there a specific language to wand movement or is it just random memorization? Probably because it works in reverse. As students become MORE proficient in using magic, they need FEWER wand movements to get the job done, until finally you get to silent and point casting. >How does the movement of the wand correlate to what's being said, and how are spells developed? That is a good question >took actual stuff from sign-language and turned them into a simple wand-language Sign language is largely for the hands, and is poorly replicated by stick movements, but I get your point.
>>15281 >RAD cliffe Speaking of, Guns Akimbo was great. >>10746
>>15281 >muh magick systems cringe, it's fantasy.
>>15291 Fantasy doesn't mean "magic works however I like" because that's the easy way to engage in no-limit fallacy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_system See >>15255 >>10154 >>15274
I had an odd but not unexpected realization today that Hogwarts very much resembles a private school in many regards given the way Pure-blood vs Muggleborn conflict exists and the interhouse clashes and how many of these Purebloods make a big stink over heritage (while also sniping each other down) similar to how rich-kids in private schools constantly try to shit-talk poorer students and one another. Fitting for JK I supposed.
>>9714 >Rowling sees "good" and "evil" not as a particular set of material circumstances which we consider good or evil, she sees them as real forces in the world and the most important thing is to choose the right side, stiff upper lip and a happy disposition, and don't try to change the status quo, stay in your lane and make the most of your station in life that is determined for you by birth. This is everything wrong with British society. Seriously, how have the Anglos fucked up so badly?
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Out of the way Mormon Blairite simps, actually good magic school based Children's media CUMIN THRU
>>15438 Any idiot who isn't currently 15 or younger knows that Worst Witch was a partial inspiration. >>15436 >>9714 >she sees them as real forces in the world How are they not? A social construct such as good and evil is usually a material reality otherwise the social construct would not be so widespread. >the most important thing is to choose the right side, stiff upper lip and a happy disposition, and don't try to change the status quo, stay in your lane and make the most of your station in life that is determined for you by birth. While I agree on "don't try to change the status quo, stay in your lane" being not so stellar an idea, the concept of making the most of your life and carrying yourself as a mature and good person is important and is something that pertains to socialism as well. Frankly Rowling's liberalism is more of a subconscious ideological write-out, than an intentional one.
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What's the best Harry Potter parodies/bootlegs have you read? Barry Trotter is a hilarious series and Таня Гроттер was also really fun.
Y'know, with all its popularity I'm really surprised that Harry Potter never got an animated series or spin-off of anykind.
>>15686 Why would you read a ripoff? read Hollbeque instead
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>>15441 >>15438 Didn't Little Witch Academia sort of ripoff this too?
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>>15180 >>15193 Has some decent Bellatrix related posts. All I can add for now is that the beautiful Helena Bonham Carter player the part phenomenally. Also for a very crazy, evil villain (canonically), I, inexplicably, can't help but have some strange sympathy towards her, but not other Death Eaters or Voldemort... might be cause she's an attractive woman.
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Hate to say no one mentioned this before, but obviously the Death Eaters and Voldemort are in some ways based on the IRA and the troubles in Ireland.It's safe to say that a British writer will use British tropes and not American ones. The KKK just look ridiculous to us, in their dunce’s caps, and the first two Potter books were written at the height of the IRA bombing campaign on the mainland, at a time when Islamists were barely a pinprick on the horizon. The Death Eaters are not a legitimate Party or ruling government nor do they have actual genocides en masse. Their activites are of a scale closer to the IRA's to quote a quora poster Claire Jordan, "they parallel the IRA and other Irish paramilitaries. They wear black cloth hoods with eye-slits, like the Balaclava helmets worn by the IRA. Their period of activity, from 1970 to 1998, coincides with the height of the Irish Troubles to within a couple of years. The arguments about the Ministry becoming nearly as vicious as the terrorists they were fighting and secretly using torture and murder match real life arguments about British security services and the IRA, UDA etc. The terrorist attacks which the Death Eaters carry out in summer 1996 coincide with a spate of real-life IRA bombings on the British mainland. "]Azkaban, with its prisoners going mad and starving to death and its mass break-out by Death Eaters, is an obvious parody of the real prison called The Maze, with its prisoners starving to death on hunger strike and its mass break-out by the IRA." "The period of activity of the Death Eaters - 1970–1998 - coincides with the Irish Troubles - 1969–1998. Every Briton of my/Rowling’s generation grew up with Irish-origin terrorism as part of our everyday lives, with a minor attack (usually in Northern Ireland) three or four times a week and a major attack (often on the mainland) two or three times a year. The Death Eater attack on the Brockdale Bridge happens within a few weeks of the real IRA attack on the Docklands Light Railway, which runs on bridges." "the IRA and INLA, the Republican side, were the main perpetrators of terrorism on the mainland and they were broadly communist and not racist, so they are not the origin of the racist aspect of the Death Eaters - but there were also Irish terrorists on the Unionist side, mainly confined to Northern Ireland, and they were of the far right, had links with the Waffen SS old boys’ network and were notorious for their use of torture." At the end of the day J.K. Rowling uses a lot of different types of arch type imagery and references in her work along with generalize concepts that apply to people in different generations. In the end her work is a product of its time that continues to influence us today
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>>9559 >>16987 > J.K. Rowling uses a lot of different types of arch type imagery and references in her work along with generalize concepts that apply to people in different generations. In the end her work is a product of its time that continues to influence us today "I think Harry will take his place with Alice, Huck, Frodo, and Dorothy and this series is not just for the decade but for the ages." - Stephen King >Harry Potter, however, is not over. Its appeal has endured, embarrassingly, among a scary proportion of self-consciously bookish liberals who use the series as a reference point for absolutely everything. - https://theoutline.com/post/1181/liberals-your-harry-potter-political-references-are-embarrassing?zd=1&zi=zqy23qbg - https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/01/harry-potter-magic-liberalism-fantasy-fetishism >The BuzzFeedification of the internet over the past five or so years has also certainly played a role in this phenomenon. The ascent of the listicle encouraged journalists to churn out keyword-heavy but conceptually thin pop-culture mashups — most notably, the now-ubiquitous reimagined Disney princesses — and the result, selected for by sub-ideal conditions, is essentially a 16-year-old in a 30-year-old’s body. <The skillset needed to score a staff position within the dregs of new media is as follows: a thorough knowledge of three or four pop culture franchises often binge-watched by aimless college freshmen, a familiarity with the latest slang purloined from black teens, and, most importantly, a complete lack of self-regard. After BuzzFeed and Upworthy rebranded themselves as having serious news components, the clickbait mentality was carried over and subsequently escaped into the wider world of journalism like a fecally transmitted disease. > In one sense she is right, but there is also a particularly neoliberal authoritarian fantasy to Potterworld. “Magic,” as it is discussed in the Harry Potter universe, is a force that allows its wielder to have a profound and measurable impact without organizing, sacrificing, or indeed doing much of anything. JK Rowling presents her reader a fantasy world in which “being really good at homework” makes you a literal superhero.
>>16112 >or spin-off of anykind but it did
>>9573 I used to laugh so hard at how miscast and aggressive the new Dumberdore actor was. There's a scene in the 4th movie where he runs into a room shouting at Harry, shoves him against a stone wall and shakes him while shouting, "Harry! HARRY! HDID YOU PUT YOUR NAME IN THE GOBLET OF FIRE?!" I think he might have even slapped him? The kindly old man from the books was turned into a fucking thug. In every scene the new Dumberdore looked like he was glowering at someone and was ready to lunge and kill every single person at Hogwarts.
>>17078 I pretend that Cursed Child and the Grindelwald movies didn't exist... their retcons and dumb bullshit are not worth the world-building. What I meant as a spin-off would be something like The adventures of the Marauders in their school years or perhaps some stuff about the founders. >>17226 Kek this, I wonder if the actor was having a really bad time while filming?
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The new TitTok meme about "muh stereotypes" in Harry Potter are just such liberal cringe I sigh heavily like an old man. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/if-jk-rowling-had-a-stereotypical-character Like FFS, Cho-Chang, whose race is hardly even mentioned in the story is in Ravenclaw, as a stereotype about "Asian's being smart" and I have to wonder... so fucking what? Even if this is the case (and it probably isn't) that has 0 impact on the story or her character (and her relationship to Cedric) and TBH the "smart asian" stereotype is a fucking compliment, because the entire implication is "oh yeah these people are super smart!" Where is the downside here? It's not untrue in the least. And the whole "muh Muslims" and "muh latinos!" is such burger-shit. Harry Potter was written in the 90s/2000s in BRITAIN, when the Muslim population wasn't high, and where Latinos aren't even a blip on the RADAR. Look at black characters in the series, where do you see racism? Angelina and Lee are both good folks whose race is barely even touched upon, hell NOBODY'S race is touched upon in detail because it doesn't matter! The point was a story about magic with a child of prophecy and his adventures in an ancient castle as he learned about the secret magic world and its inhabitants, while preparing to face Wizard Hitler. The only TikToks that weren't boring as fuck was the one about "If Rowling wrote a slavic character" which is actually fucking accurate to the Klyukva meme ( http://lurkmore.to/Клюква ) TL;DR: Liberal idpol is moronic, and their attempts at humorous satire is poor.
>>17613 >TBH the "smart asian" stereotype is a fucking compliment, because the entire implication is "oh yeah these people are super smart!" Positive discrimination is still discrimination. Also ignores massive cultural influences for such a behaviors that westernized asians might not have anymore
>>17614 >Positive discrimination is still discrimination Bull fucking shit >massive cultural influences for such a behaviors The fuck are you talkin' about? I know Asian families, I grew up with one. Hell Read Amy Tan's work on her own family and it's fairly consistent. >westernized asians might not have anymore like I said, we know nothing racial about Cho-Chang besides her being asian and the (interpreted) stereotype of her being in Ravenclaw, despite it being shown that this is not racial at all, demonstrated with the Parvati Sisters being split between Ravenclaw and Gryffindor (which makes the other Tiktok about "Rowling's Indians" also bullshit, since we see no stereotypical stuff about Indians)
>>9723 >>9618 >>9656 Responding to an old post but whatever. >Harry having Ron as his best friend is some kind of class-collaboration meme It sort of reflects the whole relation between Bilbo Baggins and Samwise too. Ron honestly is an overhated and underrated character who gets really poorly portrayed in the movies compared to the books. Related post in the Fantasy thread equating Hobbits and Weasleys >>18076 >all the main characters drop out in the last book Nah, the Weasley's dropped out a year before the events of Half Blood Prince, and most of the people who drop out during Deathly Hallows were muggle-borns and half-bloods who had to escape. (TBH I don't get why they didn't just escape into the Muggle society, Death Eaters are absolutely shit at what they know of Muggle life, so hunting down Muggle-borns would be like looking for a needle in a haystack. >the idea that evil plans would unravel because people choose to do the right thing while villains anticipate they will be selfish Are you sure it was ripped off from LOTR? Tolkien may have coined the termin, however such a story trope has existed for long before that. This is a plot point of Batman: The Dark Knight as well. >falls apart if the villain is savvy enough to plan according to good people trying to be good True enough I suppose
>>9564 Dude, you can like Harry Potter so long as you keep it separate from your perception of reality.
>>18117 1) That post is from the very beginning of the thread and is almost 1/2 year old, you're lucky I'm actually still around 2) That's sort of my point, people on /leftypol/ (back when this board was newer) tended to have kneejerk reactions to Harry Potter content and the like.
>>17613 >and TBH the "smart asian" stereotype is a fucking compliment, because the entire implication is "oh yeah these people are super smart!" The point is that all racial stereotypes are harmful, regardless of whether you view some of them positively or not, because they are about making statements about a whole racial category, implying all the people are homogenous, thus de-humanising them. We recognise variety in Humans, while we make general statements about whole animal populations, "dogs are this way", "cats are that way".
>>18133 This really should not be an argument to have in a Harry Potter thread. >all racial stereotypes are harmful Except they aren't unless a specific stereotype is meant to be negative, the whole "but it puts pressure on individuals" is fucking bullshit, because nobody except racists are going to assume a stereotype applies 100% to all members of a group. Asian kids who struggle with math and school are more likely to be faced with pressure from their parents than other kids or society. >because they are about making statements about a whole racial category, implying all the people are homogenous, thus de-humanising them Except that's not true, that's just a liberal assumption. It's the same kind of crap as "Orcs are black people", it speaks more of the internal racism of people who 'notice' this, than the racism of a depiction. A stereotype does not arise out of nothing, it arises from widespread displays of ethnic culture. >while we make general statements about whole animal populations variety =/= presence of general traits.
>>9616 You are rally insecure about intelligence. Every post you make is aggressively insulting people about their intelligence. Why didn't you fart out your own one instead of wasting all this time being a shit person? Is it because of what I said at the start and you think people will treat you like a subhuman? If this is how you build yourself up (idealist-brained) then yeah I bet your ego would take a sledgehammer blow. You didn't type one. No one else had. So where do you get off? You think you can treat people like that for no reason at all that isn't some religious idea that everyone is not being Lenin. Harry Potter is written by some fuckin Veronica Tuppensworth bourgy. The best anyone will want to do is a "radlib" (what) pointing out of her ideas can be related to something in the real world but her cartoonish ignorance of how the world works means Voldemort is Hitler and took over the ministry of magic and all his evil dudes wore black cloaks and shoot skulls in the air because that's scary and aesthetics is more important than strategy. You can't apply dialectical materialism to liberal ideals. Harry Potter isn't real. Yeah also why the hell is Comrade Voldemort leading his cadre against Hogwarts? None of this is fun when you are going to call everyone a gay piece of shit because of some shit like the elder wand. Ideas like this and individualism are basically like if we said finding the spear that pierced Christ's side is what we need to take down international bourgeoisie. Am I missing something here? Diamats cant demystify new words. That's her job making Hagrid quadriplegic micropenis
>>18464 Took you 5 months to make a response to a post from the very beginning of the thread and you couldn't even spell half your shit right. Christ. >Every post you make is aggressively insulting people The only post being responded to has ONE phrase that can be presumed as an insult; "Are you retarded?" By that metric I can claim your posts are also aggressively insulting people. >fart out your own one instead of wasting all this time being a shit person My own what? What are you even trying to say here >this is how you build yourself up <muh ego <muh idealism Stop using words you don't understand. >You didn't type one type one what? What are you even responding to? >where do you get off? Where do you, child? >her cartoonish ignorance of how the world works means Voldemort is Hitler and took over the ministry of magic and all his evil dudes wore black cloaks and shoot skulls in the air because that's scary and aesthetics is more important than strategy. Read the posts in the thread and stop making ignorant generalizations as if it's some kind of revelation about Harry Potter. >You can't apply dialectical materialism to liberal ideals NThe concept of scarcity/post-scarcity has nothing to do with liberal ideals you speed-reading dumbass. >Harry Potter isn't real Ya Dannae fookin' sei!? >None of this is fun when you are going to call everyone a gay piece of shit Are you responding to JK Rowling or to a post you incoherent shitposter? >That's her job making Hagrid quadriplegic micropenis What autism is this?
What are the best fanfic elaborations/explanations and creative spells of magic of Harry Potter? Outside of what is mentioned in post >>10154 from Iruka and the Will of Fire and the various Egyptian and Houngan spells and magical creatures created by Starfox5 in their fics https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11910994/1/Divided-and-Entwined I can't remember any decent fanon spells that aren't OP or really stupid (for varying reasons).
>>17613 >Wizard Hitler Oh you mean Himmler
>>18670 ... Why Himmler? Is it because of the occultist formation of his followers?
>>18138 >the whole "but it puts pressure on individuals" is fucking bullshit, But then you say: >Asian kids who struggle with math and school are more likely to be faced with pressure from their parents than other kids or society. Thanks for arguing against yourself for me. >A stereotype does not arise out of nothing, it arises from widespread displays of ethnic culture. A display needs an observer, someone to perceive the display, so we go back to the point that stereotypes speak "more of the internal racism of people who 'notice' [them]", rather than them being a reflection of actual behaviour of an ethnic group. Besides, stereotypes for people vary from culture to culture, showing that stereotypes depend more on the culture in which they are formed, rather than on the culture on which they are based. For example, the stereotype that "asians are smart" relies that the culture in which the stereotype is formed has several things, including, but not limited to: a hierarchical educational system (can't call others smarter if you don't have educational rankings); a belief that some races can be superior to others (remember, we're not talking about different, we're talking about better/smarter); a belief that doing well in math and science, and/or classical instruments, is a sign of intelligence (very Western-centric, don't you think?). Now, if two cultures do not share these features, then it is unlikely that they would come up with the same stereotype for Asian people. AND THEREFORE, stereotypes are about the people making them, not about people receiving them. Q.E.D. motherfucker. >variety =/= presence of general traits. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypes_of_animals
>>18675 Dude owned a wizard castle.
>>18677 Why are you restarting this bloody argument again? IRL racial bullshit is a derail of the thread. >Thanks for arguing against yourself for me I didn't you're cherry picking my argument and ignoring the details when I specifically denied dealing in absolutes in such an issue. >stereotypes speak "more of the internal racism of people who 'notice' [them]" You do realize that I am not stupid and recognize that you took this right from (my) post about how Orcs are not a representation of Africans and it is racist to assume that. You are twisting my words to an utterly different situation. Stereotypes are a widely held belief or image of something or someone that is somewhat oversimplistic. This does not exclude it being largely accurate about a general population. Jewish stereotypes are largely true, the differences is how they are presented. How do I know this? because I am part-jewish and grew up among them and I know my own community. I am also part Asian, I know their attitudes. The stereotype of smart Asians arose from factual evidence - Asian kids getting higher grades and scores, to the point where even /pol/ admits this, despite their anti-chinese hatred. The pressure I spoke of before would exist without the stereotype as well, because the whole stereotype exists BECAUSE parents pushed their children to do their best of face consequences. >stereotypes for people vary from culture to culture, showing that stereotypes depend more on the culture in which they are formed, rather than on the culture on which they are based The Asian stereotype about high grades and workaholics is accurate in and out of Asia. This is a fairly obvious thing given that it is somewhat of a social problem in Japan and China. >a hierarchical educational system (can't call others smarter if you don't have educational rankings) Heirarchy =/= bad Socialism is against social heirarchy like class, race or gender superiority/inferiority. Japan was influenced by the USSR in its education system. Some people ARE smarter than others and some people do better than others. Socialism does not deny this, as is writtten many times, it is not 'Uravnovilovka' >a belief that some races can be superior to others Not necessarily. Asian is not a race any more than South American is not a race. They are cultures and as we see win /pol/ you can admit to educational superiority of 1 culture without conceding that the culture itself is superior. This depends on the ideology at hand, not on the stereotype in and of itself. >a belief that doing well in math and science, and/or classical instruments, is a sign of intelligence <Western-centric And yet again you're wrong. Such a concept exists in the East and the South, because it is the concept of a developed civilization where it has materially developed enough that knowledge has grown in importance to society. >if two cultures do not share these features But they do >it is unlikely that they would come up with the same stereotype for Asian people But they have >THEREFORE, stereotypes are about the people making them, not about people receiving them Except in this case and often enough, they are. The general fact of the matter is, your argument only applies to a stereotype that fits your definition and the 'Smart Asian Stereotype' does not fit this category. >Q.E.D. Stay mad, you proved nothing but your own cultural absolutism and ignorance. It's frankly hilarious how much this reminds me of white liberals shouting down african-americans who talk about how ghetto-culture causes way more deaths than even cops do. Or people talking about how 'pro-gay' Indians were only for a real gay Indian to tell them off for making shit up. >Stereotypes of animals Hilarious no-argument. 1) Human stereotypes are societal, animal stereotypes are based on what amounts to urban legends of the limited behaviors we supposedly see. We do not live constantly in the presence of Owls or see their activities much, we do see and experience the activities of other humans however. 2) The stereotypes of animals exist as much from mythology and as stated "anthropomorphization" of them as they are from real observed traits. While some are inaccurate (like those about bats, others are very much accurate, such as Beavers, Bears and more). If anything your link confirms my argument, outliers of something are not applicable to the general trend of it. Now we shall argue this no longer, before this shit gets a ban for derail.
>>18680 Oh yeah, I knew that... but wouldn't that make Dumbledore Himmler!?
>>18685 >that is somewhat oversimplistic >largely accurate pick one. >Jewish stereotypes are largely true, the differences is how they are presented. Fuck off. >How do I know this? because I am part-jewish and grew up among them and I know my own community. No way to confirm that, and even if it were true, it wouldn't matter. Just because you are part Jewish doesn't mean you can't hate Jews. >The stereotype of smart Asians arose from factual evidence - Asian kids getting higher grades and scores, Would this stereotype arise in a culture without grades and scores? >Socialism is against social heirarchy like class, race or gender superiority/inferiority. Japan was influenced by the USSR in its education system. You've identified yourself as a /pol/yp, especially by first coming to /leftypol/ to "explain" socialism to people, and second by explaining it like a retard. >Asian is not a race any more than South American is not a race. They are cultures and as we see win /pol/ you can admit to educational superiority of 1 culture without conceding that the culture itself is superior. Fuck you, don't even try to make this about "level of education within cultures". That's not what the "Asian stereotype" is. No one is saying asian people are smarter because of their educational system, they're saying they're smarter because they're Asian. >But they do If they share those features, then they're the same fucking culture. >Such a concept exists in the East and the South, because it is the concept of a developed civilization where it has materially developed enough that knowledge has grown in importance to society. Yes, because for the last 200 years the world has been getting increasingly connected, capitalism has brought everything under its mode of production and market. So no shit that the educational system in countries will be similar, because it is the kind of educational system that prepares people for work in industrial society. >1) Human stereotypes are societal, animal stereotypes are based on what amounts to urban legends of the limited behaviors we supposedly see. You must be trolling. Stereotypes are "urban legends of the limited behaviors we supposedly see". Unless every single Asian you see randomly drops down and starts doing complex math equations on the sidewalk. Not everyone is a teacher, so I know not everyone is observing these amazing Asian school scores. Only a fraction of the population gets to see student scores, and only those who work in schools where there are Asians. So are you trying to say it's the teachers who are spreading these Asian stereotypes around the globe? >2) The stereotypes of animals exist as much from mythology and as stated "anthropomorphization" of them as they are from real observed traits. Sound a lot like fucking human stereotypes to me. >Now we shall argue this no longer, before this shit gets a ban for derail. You're losing the argument bro, you don't get to decide when it's over, unless you want to admit defeat and tap out.
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>>18689 >pick one <hurr Imma ignore the context of two phrases to create a false dichotomy fuck off >fuck off No u. Are you a jew? Have you lived with them? Talked with them? Read their literature and partaken in their culture? I fucking live it. >Just because you are part Jewish doesn't mean you can't hate Jews That's not an argument whiner, saying that Jewish stereotypes are often correct is not "hating jews" anymore than disliking zionists or Israel is. >Would this stereotype arise in a culture without grades and scores What the fuck are you even trying to say? >You've identified yourself as a /pol/yp No, you're just projecting >coming to /leftypol/ I'm an oldfag who was here since the days of Aidan-Chaya poster and before /leftpol/ split on 8ch, piss off >"explain" socialism to people That makes 90% of all posters on this site /pol/ Good job at creating an utterly meaningless determination >like a retard Says your liberal arse? Your bourg moral-faggotry isn't socialism >don't even try to make this about "level of education within cultures" It's not you fucking speedreading assmad liberal. It's about the grades and measurements we see given as statistics according to ethnicity/culture you twit. Or do you deny that Asian people score higher in IQ tests, grades, scores, college qualifications etc.? Do you deny that Japan and China and numerous other Asian countries have workaholic cultures that - completely independent of any American stereotyping - push their members to excel or fail? >o one is saying asian people are smarter because of their educational system, they're saying they're smarter because they're Asian No that's only retarded /pol/ racefaggots and YOU. Most people who talk about the smart-asian stereotype are also aware that it comes with the "overbearing parent" stereotype, which is why we have "dishonor on your family" humor in media relating to Asians. That's an accurate representation as is seen in Asian works like those of Amy Tan. >If they share those features, then they're the same fucking culture You're a speedreading brainlet. The material dialectics of society progress in similar manners, and while there are differences, they all share certain traits and cultural features of some variability. >because for the last 200 years the world has been getting increasingly connected <capitalism has brought everything under its mode of production and market Except as I pointed out, JAPAN'S EDUCATION SYSTEM IS INFLUENCED BY THE USSR, and THE US EDUCATION SYSTEM HAS CHANGED MULTIPLE TIMES DUE TO IT BEING A FAILURE, WITH ASIAN STUDENTS OFTEN REFERRING TO TUTORS AND RUSSIAN MATH SCHOOL TO ACTUALLY GET DECENT EDUCATION. China also imitated the USSR, and while its economy has become revisionist, it's education system is not. >Unless every single Asian you see randomly drops down and starts doing complex math equations on the sidewalk. You're just being an obtuse absolutist playing at semantics. That's not how statistics work;; let me give you a Layman's explanation: if you take a poll or a survey or any other data collection method there will be general trends and outliers. The General trend observable in education, business and real life is that Asian people achieve better results. This is a fact, deal with it. Outliers of "some Asians aren't smart or achieving much" is called an OUTLIER and is not part of a general trend. Fuck me this is tutoring highschool students all over again. >Not everyone is a teacher, so I know not everyone is observing these amazing Asian school scores They are published for public viewing and Asian kids are, y'know, not the only people in their schools, there are other kids, parents etc. who do see or hear these things. >So are you trying to say it's the teachers who are spreading these Asian stereotypes around the globe? No, that's just your projection, because your understanding of social trends is retarded. Your own point about capitalism connecting the world literally shows this you dope. >Sound a lot like fucking human stereotypes Sounds like projection to me >You're losing the argument So you claim <you don't get to say Sure I do >tap out Hurr, whoever says the last word is the winner!!! I shan't engage with you longer after this post, however I will say that you're the encapsulation of virtue-signalling radlib pity-politics with a colossal amount of strawmen, false-equvalencies, smug self-assurance and dogmatic absolutism spat out like shit from an air-cannon, all while comfortably shielded by obtuse, ignorant statements and cherrypicking, patronizing a minority over a projected insult.
>>18690 >reddit what are you expecting from radical liberals who see things in black/white and take politics at face value. On the otherhand there are like 3 different comments calling this out, so it's not uncriticized an attitude
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>>18715 >pick one <hurr Imma ignore the context of two phrases to create a false dichotomy It's the same fucking sentence, you idiot. You just don't know what a sentence fragment is. >Stereotypes are a widely held belief or image of something or someone that is somewhat oversimplistic. This does not exclude it being largely accurate about a general population. Should be: <Stereotypes are widely held beliefs[,] or images of something or someone[,] that [are] somewhat oversimplistic[;] this does not exclude [them] being largely accurate about a general population. Again <Stereotypes are widely held beliefs that are somewhat oversimplistic, however this does not preclude them from being largely accurate about a general population. It's the same fucking sentence, and you contradicted yourself. "muh context" >Are you a jew? Have you lived with them? Talked with them? Read their literature and partaken in their culture? I fucking live it. And you base your stereotypes of all Jews on your tiny lived experience in one tiny region of the world. >inb4 I'm a traveling Torah salesman Most Jews I've met have been nothing like the American Jewish stereotype. >What the fuck are you even trying to say? You're acting all smart, yet you couldn't even understand a simple point. My point is that grades, tests and hierarchical education are human inventions, that do not exist in every single human society. Societies without these things would not be able to form the stereotype of Asians being smarter because they might not have the concept of "smarter". If you think the world is some sort of homogenous place, you need to get off the internet and walk around a bit. >I'm an oldfag who was here since the days of Aidan-Chaya poster and before /leftpol/ split on 8ch, piss off And in all that time you managed to learn fuck all and still remain a retard. Why are you even here? >That makes 90% of all posters on this site /pol/ Good job at creating an utterly meaningless determination Lurk moar. >Your bourg moral-faggotry isn't socialism What? <this thing> isn't socialism You keep talking like a /pol/yp. >It's about the grades and measurements we see given as statistics according to ethnicity/culture you twit. All bullshit, have more to do with economics, child nutrition, home environment and social environment, than it does with "ethnicity/culture". >Or do you deny that Asian people score higher in IQ tests, grades, scores, college qualifications etc.? I deny that if what you say is true, it is due to genetics and "culture" (poorly defined term in this conversation, can mean anything). They score better for a number of reasons: their educational systems focus on test-taking, so they're not "smarter", just better at taking tests; a lot of this info comes from Asian immigrants in North America, which obviously selects for the well-off (who can afford such an expensive move), therefore the children will have better educational opportunities; and so on. Besides, Estonia ranks better in math, science and reading than Japan, Taiwan and South Korea. https://factsmaps.com/pisa-2018-worldwide-ranking-average-score-of-mathematics-science-reading/ Only several Asian countries appear on top of the list, but what about the rest? Vietnma, Laos, Cambodia, India, Bangladesh, Burma, Philippines, etc. do they have these "smart Asian" stereotypes attached to them? Or wait a minute, are these stereotypes just based on successful immigrant groups in the United States? :o What a crazy idea! Think about it. >Most people who talk about the smart-asian stereotype are also aware that it comes with the "overbearing parent" stereotype, which is why we have "dishonor on your family" humor in media relating to Asians. You're basing your arguments and knowledge on fucking Hollywood movies. >The material dialectics of society progress in similar manners, and while there are differences, they all share certain traits and cultural features of some variability. >material dialectics of society progress >material dialectics What, pray, are the "material dialectics of society", and how do they "progress"? >inb4 they progress in similar manners >China also imitated the USSR, and while its economy has become revisionist, it's education system is not. Marx never wrote on education (unless in some letter in passing that I haven't seen) and I don't know any early Marxist literature on education. So how can education be "revisionist" or "non-revisionist"? Oh that's write, you're a retarded /pol/yp who doesn't know what the words he's using mean. Don't you fucking get that we're not your stupid fascist friends and you can't fool people here just by using leftist terminology. "Materialism", "dialectics", "revisionism", all these words have definitions, and when you use them incorrectly it stands out like a sore thumb. LURK MOAR >The General trend observable in education, business and real life is that Asian people achieve better results. >general trends in real life And how do we measure "real life"? God you're so fucking stupid, it's unbelievable. >Fuck me this is tutoring highschool students all over again. Stupid, and transparent. Kid, it's fucking obvious you're a kid, because no one talks about "measuring real life" or "measuring business". Those are absolutely silly claims made by an immature mind. >trends and outliers Who the fuck do you think you're talking to? "trends and outliers" fucking lol >They are published for public viewing You think student grades are published for public viewing? Lol, where did you see that, Starship Troopers? >I shan't engage with you longer after this post Of course you won't, because you keep embarrassing yourself. I wouldn't either if I were you. >however I will say that blah blah blah Didn't read that part, fuck you.
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>>18727 >pic Ok internet tough guy, do try this kind of stupid whining in a ghetto, see how that goes for you. >all this shit. As I said, I'm not engaging your half-arsed fallacies and no-arguments especially when they rely on ignoring context and blog-post articles. None of what you stated is even a decent response, it's all deflection, and smug assertion that "I'm right" Your only point is about Estonia and even then all it is, is another Outlier. Your comparison to South East Asia is also fallacious, as not only is it obvious that India >muh /pol/ >muh genetics I never brought up genetics, YOU did, nice projection. Pointing out that liberalism is not socialism, is the very opposite of /pol/ who love to strawman and associate liberal idpol (such as yours) with /leftypol/ despite us being anti-idpol from the beginning. >base your stereotypes of all Jews on your tiny lived experience in one tiny region of the world How would you know? I've known jews from Israel, Poland, Russia, Ukraine, Belorus, America, France and more. I know our history and know our habits. For example there is a stereotype, portrayed as negative by Nazis - but otherwise not - that states that Jews often become doctors, dentists, jewelers and other artisan or intelligentsia-type work. This arose from MATERIAL SOCIETAL CHANGES wherein historical anti-semitism excluded most Jews from land-ownership and farming, resulting in them pursuing work in other areas that they excelled in, to the jealousy of fascists. Over time, this became a part of the culture, with parents pushing their children towards these professions as part of cultural standards. The only negative part of this is that fascists are mad over it, as are you. Same applies to Smart Asians. Given that I have Asian family and they're quite strict - as is the common trend confirmed by sociological study - the pressure for excelling in study and results are a general trend that is independent of any stereotype you are offended by. PERIOD. Stop pretending to be the voice for people who don't want nor need your protection from such inane things. Focus on real racism... such as /pol/'s obsessive anti-chinese dehumanization; THOSE are issues worth addressing, and not something so petty. >Marx never wrote on education <let's conveniently ignore Soviet efforts on education and it being considered one of the best systems in the world. It it really so hard to do basic research or do you like showing yourself as a theorylet? There is a literal section in Capital dedicated to 'Education'. Marxists.org has been around for a long time, use it. https://www.marxists.org/subject/education/index.htm >hurr ur a kid <nobody talks about "measuring real life" or "business" Huh apparently statisticians and economists and sociologists who JOB is to do exactly that and interpret the data, are now immature children. Amazing logic >Didn't read Just like the rest >fuck you Like I said, stay mad.
>>18735 >As I said, I'm not engaging And neither am I then. Stopped reading there. You can fuck off with that kind of bad faith discussion.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS3y1Q3mFVw Harry Potter with Guns is a fairly amusing shitpost, rather well made for one too. It's rather amusing but in the actual story context would be quite interesting a change. Divided and Entwined by Starfox5 has Hermione and the Muggleborns use guns and bombs to their advantage, outright killing most of the Death Eaters by doing IRA-type attacks on gatherings. There's also an interesting part where Voldemort uses an old WW-2 bomb from the Blitz to frame them by having them engage with some fodder Death Eaters at Longbottom Manor and detonating it when the Aurors arrive, crippling their forces and putting the muggle-borns in bad light, while also directly demonstrating that the Blitz did, in fact, affect the magical population in WW-2 Britain.
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I don't really give a fuck about PS5 or vidya, but this trailer for Hogwarts Legacy was really neat IMO. I hope someone makes a username of "Ebony Darkness Dementia Ravenway" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1O6Qstncpnc The only disappointing thing in the trailer is the lack of the original Hedwig Theme and just parodies the Avengers Endgame theme. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP3xyNqYS7k Speaking of Harry Potter Vidya, it seems the new part of Hogwarts Mystery is being released, so looking forward to more Merula autism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qywet1XQ8AQ Also maybe we'll finally get an animated spinoff of Harry Potter made by fans (and not slash-fiction made canon).
>>18113 >I don't get why they didn't just escape into the Muggle society >Death Eaters are absolutely shit at what they know of Muggle life, so hunting down Muggle-borns would be like looking for a needle in a haystack. This is actually a basic plot-point in Starfox5's Divided and Entwined
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Something I really like about the 5th movie is the line "Nice one James!" by Sirius in the Department of Mysteries. It’s a nod to one of the subplots of the fifth book, perhaps even the main subplot. Many adults, like Sirius and Snape, have difficulty telling James and Harry apart despite their differences in character, largely due to their similar looks, Quidditch skills, and daring heroic personalities. In both cases it is merely due the fact that he doesn't know Harry as his own person very well yet and it's human nature to view children as extensions of their parents. Couple that with the loneliness he was feeling, stuck at Grimmauld Place and it's not out of the ordinary that, at that moment, he wanted Harry to be more like his old friend. Sirius is constantly being reminded through the book that Harry is not James, and suffers a lapse of deep disappointment when he himself realizes that Harry is more different than he would like. This is all subtle build up to the infamous Snape’s Worst Memory scene where we see firsthand James behave in ways quite alien to Harry’s character. It doesn’t help that Sirius WANTS to see as much as James in Harry as possible. He blames himself for the death of James since he persuaded James to use Peter, and he is not fully psychologically capable of accepting that James is dead (on a subconcsious level). He hopes that if enough of James is channeled through Harry then he can relive his lost years from Azkaban. However at the same time he knows the two are different; Sirius breaks out of Azkaban out of fear that Pettigrew will harm Harry, leaves some southern paradise to live as a dog and eat rats because Harry needed him, and most importantly, explicitly tells Harry that he was a much better person than James was at the same age - i.e. he is fully aware of how different the two are. Since the film is too cramped to cover this, this line was what they settled for. A LiveJournal User named Cleolinda* made an excellent post about why this works; ‘"Nice one, James!" was such a wonderful bit of screenwriting economy. It expressed everything that was going on in that relationship, and Radcliffe shot Oldman this wonderful look right after … "like he realized something about Sirius that he hadn't before and it was so sad." And no, I don't think that Harry = James is all there was to his relationship with Sirius, because there was a lot at play there--both of them needing a family, Harry in particular needing some kind of mentor-father (particularly after Dumbledore began to distance himself), Sirius seeing not only James but himself in Harry (where "running away to the Potters' " equals "practically being adopted by the Weasleys," for example), Sirius wanting to recapture the Three Musketeers vibe of his youth, and so on. There are a lot of little love stories in the HP books, many of them more parental or brotherly instead of romantic, and I think Sirius and Harry is one of them, but I think Sirius and James is another, and "Nice one, James!" was the moment when Harry realized how they overlapped, and how Sirius might not be living--might not be able to live--in the present.’ In the book, Molly warns Sirius that Harry isn’t James in a separate scene - scriptwriting economy combines the whole lot of implications above into a single beautiful Freudian Slip. It can also be interpreted to allude to one of Snape' terrible memories; in the fifth movie, when James flips Snape upside down, Sirius says "Nice one James!" as well. “He's not a child!" said Sirius impatiently. "He's not an adult either!" said Mrs. Weasley, the color rising in her cheeks. "He's not James, Sirius!" "I'm perfectly clear who he is, thanks, Molly," said Sirius coldly. "I'm not sure you are!" said Mrs. Weasley. "Sometimes, the way you talk about him, it's as though you think you've got your best friend back!” *(known for Movies in 15 Minutes; https://m15m.livejournal.com/2237.html)
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>>19271 Speaking of moments the movie did better I have 2 others off the top my head First is where Harry gets his solution to the 2nd Task in Goblet of Fire; Whereas in the book Dobby is the one who overhears a staged conversation about gillyweed and gets it to Harry at the last second just before the Second Task of the Triwizard Tournament, in the movie they clean up the storyline by having Neville talk about Herbology, thus directly firing that Chekov's gun set earlier with Madeye. The book not having Neville do it (and having Madeye berate Harry for not listening to his friend) just makes Harry look far stupider than he otherwise is. Neville: "You know, if you're interested in plants, you should use Goshawk's Guide To Herbology. There's someone in Tibet who's growing gravity resistant trees..." Harry: "Neville, no offense, but I really don't care about plants. Now, if there's a Tibetan turnip that will help me breathe underwater for an hour, great. But otherwise..." Neville: "I don't know about turnips, but you could always use gillyweed." In this case, dear Neville is the saviour of the day. The Second is when Umbridge is taken to the Forbidden Forest and Umbridge is being apprehended by Grawp and a forest full of angry centaurs, she cries out, "Please, tell them I mean no harm!" And Harry answers "Sorry Professor, but I must not tell lies" which provides excellent sass and a witty return of the blood-quill punishment she was handing out to him. this is one of very few instances that I will concede the movie picked up on a brilliant idea that the book did not. of course it really made the 'centaur rape' meme blow up among the fans lol
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(This is all spoilers, for newfags) So a while back when I was reading Half-Blood Prince there was the plot point of the curse on Dumbledore's arm from the Gaunt's ring (with resurrection stone) that had been made one of Voldemort's Horcruxes which 'ensured' Dumbledore's death within the year. Unfortunately this creates a problem because it would seem much more expedient to then hurry and eliminate any known horcruxes while Dumbledore and his considerable power was still around... or even use amputation to sever the maimed arm and replace it with a prosthetic. There are three in-universe options - either He didn’t think of doing so, He didn’t want to do so or Doing so would make no difference to the outcome. The simplest reason overall is Rowling simply didn't think of amputation while writing the story. She just wanted to kill off Dumbledore and didn't quite think through the means used. The curse: https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Curse_on_Marvolo_Gaunt%27s_ring If Amputation could have helped, an interesting short-text for the amputation written out: https://archive.is/GW8yd Moreover Dumbledore is known to be a wizard of equal or of greater skill than Voldemort. Voldemort was capable of making a new hand for Pettigrew after he cut his off so that Voldemort could be revived. However it could have been dark magic (as the hand did turn on Peter) and unlike Peter, it would have been removed from a curse, which as injuries do not recover easily (Deathly Hallows, when George get's his ear cursed off In Iruka and Will of Fire (mentioned in anothere post), this is also (sort of) done during the Horcrux hunt at the Gaunt Shack. And interesting idea of why Dumbledore could simply not have thought of it is something poetic; Most Pureblood wizards don't know much about muggles, including their medicine. We've been amputating for centuries because wounds that can't be healed fester, necrotize and spread. However, the vast majority of wounds in the wizarding world are easy to heal and this is the only curse in the books that spreads this way. There would never really be a need for amputations. In other words, it never would have entered their minds. Sure, Dumbledore tends to keep abreast of the muggle world but even still I doubt he knew much about muggle medical practice. However, if he had told more than just Snape about his condition, someone who knew more about muggle medical practices (like Mr. Weasley and his stitches), it could have healed him. Dumbledore being so secretive was ultimately what lead to his death...and it certainly fits the tone the 7th book took towards Dumbledore's character...he was a great man who had faults and made mistakes. However this feels a bit too unlikely, as Mad-Eye Moody probably DID get amputated, though alternatively the clunky prosthetic may have been why Dumbledore didn't want the prosthetic during a key time. When Harry goes into his Pensieve in Deathly Hallows, we hear Snape say two things about the curse: - “It is a miracle you managed to return here!” Snape sounded furious. “That ring carried a curse of extraordinary power, to contain it is all we can hope for; I have trapped the curse in one hand for the time being —” And Snape hesitated, and then said, “I cannot tell. Maybe a year. There is no halting such a spell forever. It will spread eventually, it is the sort of curse that strengthens over time.” - (Deathly Hallows, P. 681) Which implies that the curse was like a late-stage cancer, even removing the affected area will not remove the cell damage spread throughout the body and it will come back over time. It also resembles Brown Recluse Spider bites, wherein hideous, necrotic wounds, resistant to conventional healing and often preventing skin growth or grafting, and cutting away the bite and necrosis does not ensure it being stopped, because venom doesn't remain isolated at the place of bite. Analysis of victim's blood showed venom proteins quickly spread throughout the body; remaining active for a long time. The withering-away or "mummification" of Dumbledore's hand, proceeds in the fashion of a Brown Recluse bite; only instead of an organic protein-based toxin, it had involved a magical toxin-like counterpart. In other words the withering of Dumbledore's hand had only been the visible and main manifestation of the "curse-toxins." Like the spider-venom counterpart, as well, a major quantity of "curse-toxins" had already proceeded up the arm, and were circulating throughout Dumbledore's body. Or it could simply be magic Gangrene. However, if that was the case, could not Phoenix tears save him? Of course since this is magic and not science, we don’t know how the curse operates; if you chop the hand off, the “thing” that’s keeping the curse suppressed might break and then it could just continue to spread up the arm as the hand comes off. Since Dumbledore and Snape hadn't talked about having Dumbledore reprise the famous old Celtic Magister's role, right down to the wearing of a precious-metal hand, I'd assumed the wound would inexorably continue to "mummify," no matter how high-up (how far from the "mummy-hand") they chose to amputate. It also could have been an intentional sacrifice and a subconscious self punishment: - Dumbledore and Snape knew that Draco was given a mission to kill the Headmaster, and if amputation was not a final solution and just a delay at best, then Dumbledore may have considered Draco’s best interests as well as his own. Knowing that he was dying anyway, amputation or otherwise, he chose death in this way would have been his way of protecting Draco from either being a murderer and from being killed for failing Voldemort.* - Assuming that amputation would at best delay the curse and not remove it entirely, choosing death in this way was also a way of reinforcing the illusion of Snape’s loyalty towards Voldemort and reassuring him that his faux Double-agent did not switch sides. - It may also have been to keep hidden the fact he had been cursed, so that Voldemort’s loyal spies don’t learn that Dumbledore found the ring, or that Dumbledore was already dying as that would let Voldemort get a massive upperhand morally and tactically when Dumbley shows his hand too early. - Wormtail cut off his arm out of fear of Voldemort’s wrath; one would think Albus might have considered the path differently, considering the war of one-upmanship Dumbledore waged with Voldemort to save the wizarding world from the Dark Lord, he may have not wanted to emulate the coward. (Although this would have been an interesting parallel; Wormtail's sacrificed arm reviving Voldy, and Albus's ensuring Harry's survival). As for why self punishment; Dumbledore had been eager to open up the resurrection stone and get to see his family that he was still guilty over. He had lived a full life and he was quite expectant to see peace and to meet his family, in death, if not in life. He had a plan and people who would carry it out and his death would aid in his bigger plan. So he wanted to hurry it up and at the same time be inflicted with pain. “Do not pity the dead, Harry. Pity the living. And above all, those who live without love.” - Albus Dumbledore 115, he lived too long without close love. *The Draco part is probably the silliest as innocent or not, it is one thing to attempt to protect him from failing to murder Dumbledore if it didn’t actually cost a life (as the invasion of Hogwarts did), it’s another thing to deliberately sacrifice yourself to protect an almost-adult from failing to murder you. Snape could have subtly offered Draco an “out” as an offer of protection from Voldemort, and if taken they could have tried to protect him the old-fashioned way, and it’s implied that he probably did make this offer to Draco, but that Draco refused the offer thinking that Snape was trying to steal his chance at glory. Also; Why Dumbledore didn't use Horcruxes: https://archive.is/irp0Z

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