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Anonymous 01/08/2020 (Wed) 19:21:00 No. 5493
i am learning a few languages, for now it's not hard to learn'em at the same time But, all the autodidact learners recommends at some point reading and listening the language on the daily basis. what lefty media do you read? BTW, I'm learning german, italian, russian and japanese
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If youre just starting off with a language youre better off reading a comic series or something. Easier words, more context, you build up a vocabulary for the subject matter and writing style quicker which allows you to more easily understand the new words.
>russian useless >italian spanish has 7x more speakers >japanese only useful if you're an anime or hentai addict >german most germans worth talking to already know english at a decent level
>>5494 thanks for the advice
>>5495 >russian i like the language, fuck you >italian i already speak spanish, italian is pretty easy when you speak spanish, fuck you >japanese i like the language and their weird ass sense of humour, fuck you >german i like the language, is not that hard and also fuck you
I'm learning finnish. If anyone got any resources that would be helpful for a complete beginner, I'd appreciate it.
>>5498 >I'm learning finnish Why?
>>5499 not him, but prolly fun or memes
>>5493 >russian why not mandarin? >japanese why not mandarin? >german read marx >italian romance languages are much too many tbh.
>>5498 why would someone spend the time to learn a language such as finnish?
I have been fluent in English, Spanish, and Portuguese since birth and now i'm learning Mandarin Chinese. Being able to speak and understand is far more important that being able to read and write so I would always recommend using an audiobook when learning a new language. This applies especially to languages that use an alphabet you already know, which is almost always the roman alphabet If you want books in other languages the marxists org website linked in the beginner reading material sticky has multiple languages on it. I recommend Principles of Communism because it's pretty short and you have probably already read it so your prior knowledge can help you. >>5501 Why don't YOU learn mandarin? 洋人
>>5503 >Why don't YOU learn mandarin? 洋人 i'll think about it tbh
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>>5493 currently learning Japanese. But as an English and Spanish speaker in America, I find it sort of useless besides a meme here and there. Hopefully I don't regret not learning Mandarin this whole time.
>>5505 Japanese Kanji is literally just Chinese Hanzi so if you do want to change you'll still have an advantage. I don't live in the US so I don't know how useful any of those are to you
>>5506 I'm banking on the kanji to help me in the future If I do decide to switch over or when I know enough Japanese to not actively study it to switch. Either way, it's just for fun, Spanish and English is all you need in America at least. Unless Xi decides to invade.
>>5503 >Being able to speak and understand is far more important that being able to read and write so I would always recommend using an audiobook when learning a new language. not if you are a business selling consumer products internationally, you need to translate through writing (typing). only exception of course are electronic consumer products with audio.
>>5499 >>5502 I have finnish family and relatives and usually visit Finland every summer. I've been wanting to learn the language for a while, but now I've decided to stop putting it off because I wanna be able to speak at least a little bit while my grandmother is still alive. It's not a very "useful" language but that's not my motivation for learning it.
>>5509 that's probably one of the best reasons anyone could give to learn Finnish tbh. Godspeed. >>5503 >Being able to speak and understand is far more important that being able to read and write so I would always recommend using an audiobook when learning a new language. This is very good info. One thing that I think works is watching foreign videos/movies/documentaries on the internet with the captions on.
>>5501 i dont like chinesse
>>5495 What if he wants to read Marx, Hegel and Engels in German?
>>5501 > why not mandarin? Too hard
>>5509 >I wanna be able to speak at least a little bit while my grandmother is still alive you bring a tear to my eyes, am i too sensitive?
>>5514 Yes you fucking bitch, she forced him to get old and die too.
Which language is most useful for spreading communism is what no one has answered
>>5516 English, sad but true.
>>5495 >russian >useless Learning Russian would give you direct access to a lot of original-text Soviet related documents and shit like that would it not?
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Reading news is an easy way if you want something new every day. Here are some left leaning news sites: http://neniammilitointerni.over-blog.com/ http://www.radiohc.cu/eo http://www.espero.com.cn/ For longer texts, Le Monde diplomatique also publishes regularly: https://eo.mondediplo.com/ Otherwise, you can just read regular books. Something like at least ten pages every day or so.
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>>222925 Only languages you should learn besides English are Roman Latin, Ancient Greek, and G*rman
>>5520 lol meant to reply to op >>5493
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>>5520 >G*rman Nice try
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>>5522 One should learn the disgusting barbarian tongue, so that one might understand the eternal G*rm's final dying words as you strike the philistines down.
I'm learning Russian atm, heading back out there in a couple weeks.
>>5517 What if you already know english
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Can you guys give me some advice on learning a language? I'd like to learn german and french, how do you even can learn multiple language at the same time?
>>5523 >celts are germans >implying the romancucks didnt pussy out of germania because they couldnt handle the german bantz
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>>5527 >430,000 G*rms killed <NOOOOOOO IT WAS ONLY THE CELTS (WHO ARE TOTALLY NOT G*RMS) G*rmanic lands and it's primitive swine-like people did not deserve the blessing of the Gods, or Roman civilization. Thus it was left to rot in it's own barbarous filth.
>>5526 learn the bare minimum of grammar and vocabulary from an online language course, then watch movies/series or play games with subtitles. After that read stuff online with a dictionary that also has Idioms and phrases. After that read a book After that talk to native speakers. French and German are harder than English i would say you need to spend 30min/day for six months to get a reasonable degree of skill, consider that learning a language is about repetition more than anything. Don't bother with advanced grammar, even native speakers don't know that especially the French.
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If you're gonna learn a language, might want to look for something that will help you communicate with more of your fellow proles.
>>5530 Chinese is actually pretty difficult to learn even the simplified Mandiran. Speaking it even harder, but I can read some still not a lot. Spanish since I think I will be in the Americas for a while longer, would be most helpful for a Borger myself.
>>5530 Tbh learning chinese is a waste, unless you're in business anyways. Not only is it basically the hardest language you can learn, but the chances of you using it to any effect are very slim. Not only that but most Chinese who are worth speaking to know English. English>Spanish>Arabic>Russian is the route I would go. If you can learn those four languages there shouldn't be many places or situations where you cannot communicate with another person on some level. Some might argue for French too, which is fine; but I think it's effectiveness is overstated.
>>5524 Can you give me couple of tips, like things you wished you'd known before starting with Russian?
>>5495 Let people have fun ffs.
>>5532 I already speak Spanish (not that well) from public school education, and I'm working on Arabic and Russian, plus some others. >>5533 Make sure you look up grammar rules. It's significantly different from English. In general, treat learning a language like you're a baby who needs to learn the alphabet and shit. It's pretty much true, and that kind of mindset actually helps you learn a language supposedly.
>>5535 Thanks!
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>>5498 i'm also learning Finnish for my SO who is finnish, and also to move there for work finnish leftists are a mess but it's at least better than in the anglosphere i'd recommend using worddive, i used it for a few months and made a decent amount of progress, enough to understand occasional basic sentences said in real life the finnish duolingo is also due to be released at the end of april
>>5513 Japanese is actually harder than Mandarin. The only hard thing about Mandarin are the tones and the characters. The former is just something you need to get used to through practice, and the latter just requires an extra amount of repetition. The grammar of Mandarin is pretty simple and actually fairly close to English in some aspects, whereas Japanese grammar is an absolute trainwreck. Also, you still have to learn Chinese characters (Hanzi, in Japanese they are called Kanji) for Japanese. Mandarin is much more useful and will become extremely relevant as China gets more and more influential in global politics.
>>5537 >i'd recommend using worddive Thanks, I'll check that out. >the finnish duolingo is also due to be released at the end of april Fuck yes, been looking forward to this.
>>5525 Then you don't need to learn it and already have access to most of information. But if you want to learn another language, you should learn spanish.
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Why does Mandarin have so many fucking homophones. How does anyone speak a language like this.
>>5553 Japanese is even worse
>>5549 >pic What the hell? Spanish is more important than French
>>5559 I'm french but I agree with you. But about the chart it's because french is spoken as lingua franca in a lot of african countries and also because it was the main language of diplomacy before WWII and also the main language of aristocracy in Europe before WWI. For example the Romanov family spoke in french.
do you know any sites where I could watch french dubbed anime or tv shows?
>>5590 thanks a lot!
>>5586 Here, watch One Piece in French; it's about 900 episodes. https://vostfree.com/94-one-piece-vf-ddl-streaming-1fichier-uptobox.html
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>>5553 You want easy to learn language? Too bad! Here billion homophone, fuck yuuuuuuu! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jtiw721RAg
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>>5599 I've actually been reading One Piece in french for a few months, I finally caught up recently. It really helped me learn, but I haven't I haven't practiced listening that much. So, thanks!
>try to learn German Nah boring >try to learn Mandarin Why is it so goddamn hard
>>5613 Should rename it trash tbh.
Are there any ukrainians here? I want to watch some series or anime with Ukrainian subtitles. Does anyone know any good site?
>>5620 https://uakino.club/animeukr/ https://uafilm.pro/anime/ These two are my favorites >I prefer the first one though
What about cinema in Ukrainian in general? Are there any popular Ukrainian torrent trackers?
>>5526 >how do you even can learn multiple language at the same time? can't help you with that bc idk, but I can give you language learning advice Go to youtube rn and change your country to France or any country which speaks French and then check your trending tab, now you have a ton of videos and can start getting used to listening to all the sounds even if you don't understand a word. Not only that, but the comment sections can give you some reading practice too I would recommend you use Pimsleur French it's great and speaking and understanding are far more important than reading and writing which can be easily learned soon after starting because they use the Roman alphabet. Pimsleur can be expensive though so either p**rate or check your local library. That's all I have for now, Pimsleur will help you get started and YouTube will help you learn more through context. I'm recommending you this video of Let It Go from Frozen in French because you can turn French subtitles on on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQP9XZc2Y_c , as you can see some of the words are similar to English, it's not that hard of a language you're already on your way! :)
Here's some youtube leftist channels in french for those interested: Usul, the most popular french leftist (Mélanchonist) on youtube, french level : easy https://www.youtube.com/user/MrUsul2000/videos https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0H7ONNEUnnt59niYAZ07dFTi99u2L2n_ Also did stuff on video games : https://www.youtube.com/user/usulmasta/videos Guillaume Deloison (ancom doing ancom videos), french level : Mid https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzB4XvWgVlXFI4ljbQXzmwA/videos Politikon, short but dense videos about politics, literature, economy, history and philosophy, from far-left to far-right, but the guy is more of an ancom, french level : hard https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0HxyEc_ojRJ1oJXS5K6oaA/videos
>>5727 I was already subscribed to politikon, he makes interesting videos and it`s nice that he has subtitles on all of them. I'll check out the other channels too. Also thanks a lot if you're the anon who posted the link to one piece. I've been watching hunter x hunter on there for the past few days, and they have a lot of other shows. It's gonna help me a lot.
>>5727 MVP. I also recommend pimsleur a lot. Always pirate it, it's just audio files, no sense in buying them. Any german leftist stuff to watch with english subtitles?
>>5737 >Also thanks a lot if you're the anon who posted the link to one piece That's another french comrade. I'm the guy who posted the DDL french websites.
>>5727 Me again, I've recently found two "new" french leftist channels: Tzitzimitl - Esprit Critique (self-proclaimed anarchist but who did entryism in socdem parties in the past), his videos are about politics but also debunking conspiracy theories but always with a leftist framework, french level : Mid https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0yPCUmdMZIGtnxSnx5_ifA Jean-Michel Dufays, old belgian ancom historian professor making hours long videos mostly about history but also economy, politics, psychoanalysis and philosophy, french level : hard https://www.youtube.com/user/jmdufays
>>5530 Hindustani (Hindi + Urdu) can also be quite useful as india and pakistan both have many commies and shit
>>5827 >>5827 >both have many commies and shit They only have sizable numbers in 2-3 states, and most of the people in those states don’t speak Hindi. The prominent hindi speaking states are dominated by right wingers, the commies have virtually no presence in these states at all.
>>5530 Does French in this include Haitian? That number seems like too small when you account for all the African countries that speak French + the amerifats / canadians who learn french in school
>>5865 Haitian is probably considered creole.
What language could be useful for a leftist that wants to organize Africans? I am thinking in Arabic and Swahili, but do you have any other ideas?
>>5929 French
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>>5929 Africa is a tricky place, but as >>5935 pointed out, french could be pretty useful in general, but in a lot of those countries it is a minority language, not really spoke by the majority. So it really depends of which region of Africa you want to organize, if you want to organize in the Sahara region, Arabic would be very useful. In Sub-Sahara Africa, in the middle and the west french could be very useful, but in the east Swahili would be essential, in countries like Tanzania, Kenya, Uganda, Burundi and Rwanda. But again, it depends on the country that you want to organize, because Africa is such a diverse place, so probably you would need to learn 2 languages to organize i only one country
>>5929 French, English, Portuguese
>>5867 The official language of Haiti is French and they learn French in school. Creole is mostly just a spoken language they learn organically.
>>5863 Wow, that is an impressive collection of language related books. The other link is all of pimsleur's tapes. Which is an awesome resource. Thanks for that as well.
>>5495 >calling Russian and German useless >on bunkerchan German unlocks Marx and countless philosophical works in original language. Russian is obviously vital for anyone interested in the Soviet Union and the vast catalog of untranslated Russian works.
Are there any Eirenons here? Is there any substantial content in your language to listen to other than radio? It's my understanding that hardly anything gets dubbed into Irish, given the efforts by the Bourgeois government to eradicate it for the sake of profitability.
>>6142 if you go to YouTube and switch your country to whatever then check the trending tab(s) you can get content from that country and in the language that they speak there
>>6163 Well I'm afraid that's the issue with Irish. Trending tab for Ireland is all English content, and almost none of it is even from Irish channels. The Irish language is still being actively driven out of use by capital, so the avenues for finding immersion content are few. Thanks for trying to help though.
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>>6142 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dmzR7eth4g They used to show us this shit in Irish class instead of teaching us so you can start here. TG4 has a few original series as Gaeilge you can find on YT. Hope this helps
>>6175 Thanks; it's something at least.
>>5493 I want to learn Esperanto and then German. When I visited Germany I had a fun time, I like how it sounds and it's Germanic which is easy for an English speaker. Esperanto because I believe in Anationalism (As opposed to Nationalism or Internationalism) and because it's a really flexible and good language.
>>6195 >I want to learn Esperanto I don't really understand what Esperanto is. Afaik it's suppose to be the next Lingua Franca, but one that is easy for all people to learn, but wouldn't Latin be better since there's tons of words that come from Latin in English already plus Spanish, French, Portuguese, Italian, and Romanian all come from Latin anyways.
>>6195 >>6199 it's a really flawed language http://jbr.me.uk/ranto/ and it will not become the world language anyway because nothing can.
I would like to start learning Mandarin, what are some good resources for that?
>>6201 The very first video I watched on Mandarin is this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMgeux646V0 I started with Pimsleur Mandarin Chinese it's expensive so it's much better to check if you're local library has it or you can pirate it as well. It's pretty good, but can get kinda long and boring so I took it out using my local library's website and sped it up a little (Would not recommend doing this until you are familiar with the sounds in Chinese) For learning the characters you can also check your local library they might have books on the topic Other resources you can use HelloChinese (app like duolingo but it focuses only on Chinese and it's pretty good) BiliBili (Chinese YouTube) https://adnmb2.com/ (Chinese imageboard) My library also gives us access to websites like RosettaStone and Pronunciator so your local library will always be a good resource go check what they have
>>6202 Thank you. Any book will do to learn characters or is there a particularly popular one (or ones to avoid)? Tbh I'm rather intimidated by characters (and tones).
>>6203 Heisig's Remember Simplified Hanzi is pretty good. This is just the 1st volume: 1500 characters; I don't have the second which has the remaining 1500. He also has a version for traditional characters, but considering where we are I figured you'd prefer simplified.
>>6199 >Afaik it's suppose to be the next Lingua Franca, but one that is easy for all people to learn, but wouldn't Latin be better since there's tons of words that come from Latin in English already plus Spanish, French, Portuguese, Italian, and Romanian all come from Latin anyways Absolutely and that's why Interlingua is much better if you're interested for a constructed international auxiliary language : https://www.wikiwand.com/ia/Interlingua
>>6245 >if you're interested for a constructed international auxiliary language ew no just use Latin like I said that already exists and is close enough to existing languages. Maybe i'm biased because I know Spanish and Portuguese though >>6204 Thanks for posting this I did it and learned the meaning of over 20 new characters since yesterday and i've been studying Mandarin for ~4 months mostly using audios >>6203 I'd recommend what >>6204 posted I can say it's pretty good.
>>6253 >just use Latin like I said that already exists and is close enough to existing languages But Interlingua is greco-latin but way much simplified, Latin as a classical language is very complex, especially compared to Interlingua who have been designed on the purpose of being easy to learn.
some advice i'd like to give to anons interested in learning a language: 1. audiobooks, textbooks, etc. can all give you some information, but remember that ALL children learn languages by just existing and using context. This is called the input method here is a video on this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_EQDtpYSNM 2. Relating to the above, TALK TO PEOPLE!!! It's good. Here is a guy who learns a little bit of korean in 24 hours, uses it on native speakers, and then learns a little more once he is corrected. It is very worth your time to speak in your target language https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ozqi0mv5tVE 3. Think and lucid dream in your target language as much as possible. I don't have a video of this but it's pretty self explanatory, if you don't have the words yet refer to both of the points above, but specifically number 2
Besides pimsleur, what other resource is good to learn to speak (german)? I'm thinking of watching series in german or something, but I'm not sure if that helps. I thought of audiobooks, but I think even a children's book will be hard to follow along at this point, perhaps later. Ideally, I want to expose myself to german as much as possible, in hopes of learning it ASAP. Any advice is appreciated. >>6254 As a spanish speaker, it reads almost like spanish, much more than portuguese to spanish.
>>6275 >Ideally, I want to expose myself to german as much as possible, in hopes of learning it ASAP. watch everything with only german audio and german subtitles, talk to german speakers, and start thinking / lucid dreaming in german, pretty much everything I wrote in here >>6274
>>6276 Thanks for the advice, I posted it 20 seconds after your post, before the thread had been refreshed. Very timely. Have you had any success with "the input method"?
>>6277 Ok, off to watch german teenage drama with german subtitles, fuck it.
>>6277 yes, BUT I am a native Spanish and English speaker and I learned Portuguese through this method, a language which is similar to Spanish . I don't know what it's like to use it on another language
>>6280 to be more specific I live in a South American country right next to Brazil and when I was ~15 I was interested in learning Portuguese so I set my trending tab on YouTube to Brazil and checked out all the Minecraft / Roblox videos. In about ~3 months I learned to understand a lot, but I had barely practiced speaking or thinking in Portuguese so then I started practicing that. I t works, but like I said I had an advantage in already knowing 2 languages with one of them being very similar to Portuguese
>>6277 >>6282 My input on Krashen's 'Input Hypothesis' is that it really is the only way the brain learns language. A language which is very much like your own will be swiftly learnt, but the same principles apply for languages completely dissimilar. Raw, brute-forced input is the path to understanding language in the context of itself, without any forethought or reference to your native language. The best evidence for input hypothesis I feel is the whole of human history prior to the Modern era. William Adams, an Englishman alone in Japan, became a samurai in the early years of the 1600s. He was completely fluent in Japanese and was a key advisor to the Shogun at the time. He had no vocabulary lists or grammar books, nor did he have any bilingual companions, he had only his mind and an archipelago of native Japanese speakers. This is a single anecdote, but vocabulary lists, complete grammars, and bilingual dictionaries of languages are wholly Modern inventions, yet people have learned language quite naturally for tens of thousands (perhaps millions depending on when language was invented) of years. It's only natural to understand nothing at first, but as long as you're paying attention to these things you can't understand, your brain is parsing them. And after hundreds of hours of exposure (certainly less with closer related languages) your brain will naturally come to an understanding. Additionally I should add that the perception that language is learned through intensive study, rather than extensive experience originates from the Modern industrialization of education. The Industrial Western education system would not encourage something so creative and organic as learning a language through exposure, as the results of that are less concrete in the short-term. It encourages rote memorization of grammar and vocabulary, and (in my experience) doesn't even acknowledge the necessity of immersion, nor is immersion in the target language encouraged. It's goal is to make you the best, most rapid-fire translator of a language out there, able to hear Spanish and make it English, and turn your English back to Spanish on a whim. But not to understand and think in Spanish on its own merits. Four years of straight-'A' Spanish amount to 'literacy' without any actual fluency; no capacity to organically parse Spanish and formulate thoughts and responses in Spanish. Sorry for the long, somewhat ranty post, but I felt it necessary to convey to yinz and any lurkers that Input Hypothesis IS the scientific fact (seriously look into Krashen, I believe he's proven that language can solely be learnt through input ultimately). Learning with Modern tools such as Grammars and vocab lists CAN be useful, but it is in fact SECONDARY to pure linguistic input. You must become FLUENT before you become LITERATE (though don't let that discourage you from working on both at the same time, just know the basis lies in fluency). Post end now before


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