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Anonymous 01/08/2020 (Wed) 19:21:00 No. 5493
i am learning a few languages, for now it's not hard to learn'em at the same time But, all the autodidact learners recommends at some point reading and listening the language on the daily basis. what lefty media do you read? BTW, I'm learning german, italian, russian and japanese
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>>5586 Here, watch One Piece in French; it's about 900 episodes. https://vostfree.com/94-one-piece-vf-ddl-streaming-1fichier-uptobox.html
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>>5553 You want easy to learn language? Too bad! Here billion homophone, fuck yuuuuuuu! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jtiw721RAg
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>>5599 I've actually been reading One Piece in french for a few months, I finally caught up recently. It really helped me learn, but I haven't I haven't practiced listening that much. So, thanks!
>try to learn German Nah boring >try to learn Mandarin Why is it so goddamn hard
>>5613 Should rename it trash tbh.
Are there any ukrainians here? I want to watch some series or anime with Ukrainian subtitles. Does anyone know any good site?
>>5620 https://uakino.club/animeukr/ https://uafilm.pro/anime/ These two are my favorites >I prefer the first one though
What about cinema in Ukrainian in general? Are there any popular Ukrainian torrent trackers?
>>5526 >how do you even can learn multiple language at the same time? can't help you with that bc idk, but I can give you language learning advice Go to youtube rn and change your country to France or any country which speaks French and then check your trending tab, now you have a ton of videos and can start getting used to listening to all the sounds even if you don't understand a word. Not only that, but the comment sections can give you some reading practice too I would recommend you use Pimsleur French it's great and speaking and understanding are far more important than reading and writing which can be easily learned soon after starting because they use the Roman alphabet. Pimsleur can be expensive though so either p**rate or check your local library. That's all I have for now, Pimsleur will help you get started and YouTube will help you learn more through context. I'm recommending you this video of Let It Go from Frozen in French because you can turn French subtitles on on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQP9XZc2Y_c , as you can see some of the words are similar to English, it's not that hard of a language you're already on your way! :)
Here's some youtube leftist channels in french for those interested: Usul, the most popular french leftist (Mélanchonist) on youtube, french level : easy https://www.youtube.com/user/MrUsul2000/videos https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0H7ONNEUnnt59niYAZ07dFTi99u2L2n_ Also did stuff on video games : https://www.youtube.com/user/usulmasta/videos Guillaume Deloison (ancom doing ancom videos), french level : Mid https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzB4XvWgVlXFI4ljbQXzmwA/videos Politikon, short but dense videos about politics, literature, economy, history and philosophy, from far-left to far-right, but the guy is more of an ancom, french level : hard https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0HxyEc_ojRJ1oJXS5K6oaA/videos
>>5727 I was already subscribed to politikon, he makes interesting videos and it`s nice that he has subtitles on all of them. I'll check out the other channels too. Also thanks a lot if you're the anon who posted the link to one piece. I've been watching hunter x hunter on there for the past few days, and they have a lot of other shows. It's gonna help me a lot.
>>5727 MVP. I also recommend pimsleur a lot. Always pirate it, it's just audio files, no sense in buying them. Any german leftist stuff to watch with english subtitles?
>>5737 >Also thanks a lot if you're the anon who posted the link to one piece That's another french comrade. I'm the guy who posted the DDL french websites.
>>5727 Me again, I've recently found two "new" french leftist channels: Tzitzimitl - Esprit Critique (self-proclaimed anarchist but who did entryism in socdem parties in the past), his videos are about politics but also debunking conspiracy theories but always with a leftist framework, french level : Mid https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0yPCUmdMZIGtnxSnx5_ifA Jean-Michel Dufays, old belgian ancom historian professor making hours long videos mostly about history but also economy, politics, psychoanalysis and philosophy, french level : hard https://www.youtube.com/user/jmdufays
>>5530 Hindustani (Hindi + Urdu) can also be quite useful as india and pakistan both have many commies and shit
>>5827 >>5827 >both have many commies and shit They only have sizable numbers in 2-3 states, and most of the people in those states don’t speak Hindi. The prominent hindi speaking states are dominated by right wingers, the commies have virtually no presence in these states at all.
>>5530 Does French in this include Haitian? That number seems like too small when you account for all the African countries that speak French + the amerifats / canadians who learn french in school
>>5865 Haitian is probably considered creole.
What language could be useful for a leftist that wants to organize Africans? I am thinking in Arabic and Swahili, but do you have any other ideas?
>>5929 French
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>>5929 Africa is a tricky place, but as >>5935 pointed out, french could be pretty useful in general, but in a lot of those countries it is a minority language, not really spoke by the majority. So it really depends of which region of Africa you want to organize, if you want to organize in the Sahara region, Arabic would be very useful. In Sub-Sahara Africa, in the middle and the west french could be very useful, but in the east Swahili would be essential, in countries like Tanzania, Kenya, Uganda, Burundi and Rwanda. But again, it depends on the country that you want to organize, because Africa is such a diverse place, so probably you would need to learn 2 languages to organize i only one country
>>5929 French, English, Portuguese
>>5867 The official language of Haiti is French and they learn French in school. Creole is mostly just a spoken language they learn organically.
>>5863 Wow, that is an impressive collection of language related books. The other link is all of pimsleur's tapes. Which is an awesome resource. Thanks for that as well.
>>5495 >calling Russian and German useless >on bunkerchan German unlocks Marx and countless philosophical works in original language. Russian is obviously vital for anyone interested in the Soviet Union and the vast catalog of untranslated Russian works.
Are there any Eirenons here? Is there any substantial content in your language to listen to other than radio? It's my understanding that hardly anything gets dubbed into Irish, given the efforts by the Bourgeois government to eradicate it for the sake of profitability.
>>6142 if you go to YouTube and switch your country to whatever then check the trending tab(s) you can get content from that country and in the language that they speak there
>>6163 Well I'm afraid that's the issue with Irish. Trending tab for Ireland is all English content, and almost none of it is even from Irish channels. The Irish language is still being actively driven out of use by capital, so the avenues for finding immersion content are few. Thanks for trying to help though.
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>>6142 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dmzR7eth4g They used to show us this shit in Irish class instead of teaching us so you can start here. TG4 has a few original series as Gaeilge you can find on YT. Hope this helps
>>6175 Thanks; it's something at least.
>>5493 I want to learn Esperanto and then German. When I visited Germany I had a fun time, I like how it sounds and it's Germanic which is easy for an English speaker. Esperanto because I believe in Anationalism (As opposed to Nationalism or Internationalism) and because it's a really flexible and good language.
>>6195 >I want to learn Esperanto I don't really understand what Esperanto is. Afaik it's suppose to be the next Lingua Franca, but one that is easy for all people to learn, but wouldn't Latin be better since there's tons of words that come from Latin in English already plus Spanish, French, Portuguese, Italian, and Romanian all come from Latin anyways.
>>6195 >>6199 it's a really flawed language http://jbr.me.uk/ranto/ and it will not become the world language anyway because nothing can.
I would like to start learning Mandarin, what are some good resources for that?
>>6201 The very first video I watched on Mandarin is this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMgeux646V0 I started with Pimsleur Mandarin Chinese it's expensive so it's much better to check if you're local library has it or you can pirate it as well. It's pretty good, but can get kinda long and boring so I took it out using my local library's website and sped it up a little (Would not recommend doing this until you are familiar with the sounds in Chinese) For learning the characters you can also check your local library they might have books on the topic Other resources you can use HelloChinese (app like duolingo but it focuses only on Chinese and it's pretty good) BiliBili (Chinese YouTube) https://adnmb2.com/ (Chinese imageboard) My library also gives us access to websites like RosettaStone and Pronunciator so your local library will always be a good resource go check what they have
>>6202 Thank you. Any book will do to learn characters or is there a particularly popular one (or ones to avoid)? Tbh I'm rather intimidated by characters (and tones).
>>6203 Heisig's Remember Simplified Hanzi is pretty good. This is just the 1st volume: 1500 characters; I don't have the second which has the remaining 1500. He also has a version for traditional characters, but considering where we are I figured you'd prefer simplified.
>>6199 >Afaik it's suppose to be the next Lingua Franca, but one that is easy for all people to learn, but wouldn't Latin be better since there's tons of words that come from Latin in English already plus Spanish, French, Portuguese, Italian, and Romanian all come from Latin anyways Absolutely and that's why Interlingua is much better if you're interested for a constructed international auxiliary language : https://www.wikiwand.com/ia/Interlingua
>>6245 >if you're interested for a constructed international auxiliary language ew no just use Latin like I said that already exists and is close enough to existing languages. Maybe i'm biased because I know Spanish and Portuguese though >>6204 Thanks for posting this I did it and learned the meaning of over 20 new characters since yesterday and i've been studying Mandarin for ~4 months mostly using audios >>6203 I'd recommend what >>6204 posted I can say it's pretty good.
>>6253 >just use Latin like I said that already exists and is close enough to existing languages But Interlingua is greco-latin but way much simplified, Latin as a classical language is very complex, especially compared to Interlingua who have been designed on the purpose of being easy to learn.
some advice i'd like to give to anons interested in learning a language: 1. audiobooks, textbooks, etc. can all give you some information, but remember that ALL children learn languages by just existing and using context. This is called the input method here is a video on this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_EQDtpYSNM 2. Relating to the above, TALK TO PEOPLE!!! It's good. Here is a guy who learns a little bit of korean in 24 hours, uses it on native speakers, and then learns a little more once he is corrected. It is very worth your time to speak in your target language https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ozqi0mv5tVE 3. Think and lucid dream in your target language as much as possible. I don't have a video of this but it's pretty self explanatory, if you don't have the words yet refer to both of the points above, but specifically number 2
Besides pimsleur, what other resource is good to learn to speak (german)? I'm thinking of watching series in german or something, but I'm not sure if that helps. I thought of audiobooks, but I think even a children's book will be hard to follow along at this point, perhaps later. Ideally, I want to expose myself to german as much as possible, in hopes of learning it ASAP. Any advice is appreciated. >>6254 As a spanish speaker, it reads almost like spanish, much more than portuguese to spanish.
>>6275 >Ideally, I want to expose myself to german as much as possible, in hopes of learning it ASAP. watch everything with only german audio and german subtitles, talk to german speakers, and start thinking / lucid dreaming in german, pretty much everything I wrote in here >>6274
>>6276 Thanks for the advice, I posted it 20 seconds after your post, before the thread had been refreshed. Very timely. Have you had any success with "the input method"?
>>6277 Ok, off to watch german teenage drama with german subtitles, fuck it.
>>6277 yes, BUT I am a native Spanish and English speaker and I learned Portuguese through this method, a language which is similar to Spanish . I don't know what it's like to use it on another language
>>6280 to be more specific I live in a South American country right next to Brazil and when I was ~15 I was interested in learning Portuguese so I set my trending tab on YouTube to Brazil and checked out all the Minecraft / Roblox videos. In about ~3 months I learned to understand a lot, but I had barely practiced speaking or thinking in Portuguese so then I started practicing that. I t works, but like I said I had an advantage in already knowing 2 languages with one of them being very similar to Portuguese
>>6277 >>6282 My input on Krashen's 'Input Hypothesis' is that it really is the only way the brain learns language. A language which is very much like your own will be swiftly learnt, but the same principles apply for languages completely dissimilar. Raw, brute-forced input is the path to understanding language in the context of itself, without any forethought or reference to your native language. The best evidence for input hypothesis I feel is the whole of human history prior to the Modern era. William Adams, an Englishman alone in Japan, became a samurai in the early years of the 1600s. He was completely fluent in Japanese and was a key advisor to the Shogun at the time. He had no vocabulary lists or grammar books, nor did he have any bilingual companions, he had only his mind and an archipelago of native Japanese speakers. This is a single anecdote, but vocabulary lists, complete grammars, and bilingual dictionaries of languages are wholly Modern inventions, yet people have learned language quite naturally for tens of thousands (perhaps millions depending on when language was invented) of years. It's only natural to understand nothing at first, but as long as you're paying attention to these things you can't understand, your brain is parsing them. And after hundreds of hours of exposure (certainly less with closer related languages) your brain will naturally come to an understanding. Additionally I should add that the perception that language is learned through intensive study, rather than extensive experience originates from the Modern industrialization of education. The Industrial Western education system would not encourage something so creative and organic as learning a language through exposure, as the results of that are less concrete in the short-term. It encourages rote memorization of grammar and vocabulary, and (in my experience) doesn't even acknowledge the necessity of immersion, nor is immersion in the target language encouraged. It's goal is to make you the best, most rapid-fire translator of a language out there, able to hear Spanish and make it English, and turn your English back to Spanish on a whim. But not to understand and think in Spanish on its own merits. Four years of straight-'A' Spanish amount to 'literacy' without any actual fluency; no capacity to organically parse Spanish and formulate thoughts and responses in Spanish. Sorry for the long, somewhat ranty post, but I felt it necessary to convey to yinz and any lurkers that Input Hypothesis IS the scientific fact (seriously look into Krashen, I believe he's proven that language can solely be learnt through input ultimately). Learning with Modern tools such as Grammars and vocab lists CAN be useful, but it is in fact SECONDARY to pure linguistic input. You must become FLUENT before you become LITERATE (though don't let that discourage you from working on both at the same time, just know the basis lies in fluency). Post end now before

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