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Bring back the idpol thread Comrade 01/22/2020 (Wed) 16:09:59 No. 3985
I want to bitch about trans idpol and every time a make a thread about it it gets deleted. Has Trans idpol become accepted here? I want normie liberals to leave. As for the incelposting problem that the other idpol general had. Maybe the mods and jannies should just take a more active approach to moderating the thread and ban anyone who goes off on a ridiculous tangent and starts spamming the thread.
offtopicposters should be moved to their own habitat. You should make threads not about idpol, but about "things you're not allowed to say on leftypol" Those only get deleted once you start arguing in it while bumping.
>>3985 >I want to bitch about trans idpol what do you mean with this, do you just want a thread where you can Circlejerk about how trannies are mantally ill pedos?
>>3988 No I want to bitch about how trannies are mentally ill and taking over leftist orgs to revolve around trans issues
>>3989 >and taking over leftist orgs to revolve around trans issues The probleme here is not really trannies but rather that leftist orgs get subverted by idpol. If you want to discuss how we can stop that from happening, I think that should be discussed. But if you want to bitch about trans people, just go to /pol/.
>>3991 I do have an issue with the whole concept of being trans and i do want to bitch about that, but if you're asking if I hate trannies and think they should die, no. They're just cringe and annoying, primarily the online ones.
>>3993 Ok, and sorry if I may come over as hostile.
>>3985 >I want to bitch about trans idpol yikes what a reactionary chud, am I right Critizing trans people is a no no my dude
>It's not idpol when i make idpol points from a reactionary POV You're an id/pol/ack, nothing else. Just go back to /pol/, faggot.
>>4003 >>4007 You're the idpolers
>>4003 Could you see someone saying this about trannies and not get banned? >>28034 >fuck off an embarrass 4chan
>>4028 let me fix that for you >>>/leftypol/28034
>>4030 This isn't even that bad, tbh. I've seen a lot worse being said about trannies in the idpol gulag
>>3985 I don't give a fuck about ispol thread or not, but that specific incelposting shit NEEDS TO STOP He is coming in to otherwise good/mostly unrelated threads and shifting them up time and time and time again with his weird shit about how he deserves sex slaves and demands socialism with patriarchal characteristics HEY HEY, HO HO, INCELSHIT HAS GOT TO GO
how do i get hard?
>>4032 Actually let me double post just the one time. You also need to severely warn that guy who ONLY wants to continuously, repetitively, undialectically and unmaterialistically say "tranny tranny tranny tranny mental illness cut your cock off tranny tranny" in every remotely relevant thread (t might be the same guy?) I think the board is very open to a sympathetic discussion of sexual alienation (which seems to be a real thing, a sub symptom of general atomisation, emergent kyriarchy, and status competition) and serious left discussion about gender/trans stuff (like good effortposting argument to lay out TERF/SWERF stuff). The shit he is carrying on with is even fine once but it's obviously an idee fixe with no change, modification, consideration of arguments, etc. It's basically just spamming the same content in different sentences and it is ruining genuine discussion and it NEEDS TO STOP
>>3985 unban me you stupid fucking faggots
bump
>>4034 What the fuck is kyriarchy
>>4131 Means "rule by a lord [kyrios]" in Greek. It's my preferred term in the feminist current to refer to what is more normally called "patriarchy", taking into account more than the blunt "man oppressor/woman oppressed" rubbish. I use it because I am of the view that in the west, old-style 'patriarchy' (as in 'father of the family') isn't around anymore - I mean when a woman legally couldn't take out a bank account without her father or husband's permission, when marital beating was legal or totally condoned, when divorce didn't have no-fault procedures, when men got custody of children afterwards, etc. - and yet there's still a structural bias towards certain forms of male power, but especially at the top of the class pyramid rather, so I also want to avoid saying dumb shit like "there's no need for feminism anymore b/c the 70s happened". In respect of that post, I use 'kyriarchy' because I don't blame sexual alienation on "The feminists" like a /pol/ reject, OR on 'male entitlement', 'fucking loser incels OMG LOL', etc. like liberal feminists. I blame it on the way developing late capitalist forms of power, prestige, resource allocation and scarcity have damaged not just 'sexual' opportunities as such but the broader frame of social opportunities that generate the possibility of a healthy sexual relationship forming and progressing. To rephrase that in non-theory terms, I mean incels are created because people are lonely, work hours too long to meet eachother, don't have anywhere to go or any common projects to interact on, are too tired to do anything but sit on netflix after work, how men AND women both have warped sexual ideals informed by all this advertising messing with your idea of 'normal' (when all you see is porn/actor-tier faces, big tits, bubble butts, rock hard six-packs, Arnie pecs, rough anal, facials, etc. etc. etc. ). So everything is messed up and people don't have a chance to properly get together with potential sexual and relationship partners in a healthy way like socialist sexuality.
Written is response to the neoliberal tranny in the USA pol thread This is why I'm becoming less pro trans nowadays. They only care about making sure everyone acknowledges their special status. If we really abolished gender, they'd be at the same level as everyone else and wouldn't be special anymore. Look at how trannies act online. They know that they're seen as more interesting to other people than men or women, and they use it to their advantage. Look at how the porn stars are acting today. They know that their bodies have sex appeal and they can exploit it for cash. If you're an an 18 year old girl with a dick, why not sell your pics and videos online? You'll always be autistic and a social outcast, but at least you can use your unique body to make money and fame online. Online areas infected by capitalism, Twitter, discord, manyvids, patreon, are the only places in the world where trannies are popular. Because they can leverage their body and have coomers fawn all over them. In real life though, they're basically under class, just like the rest of us neets. That's why they're pro capitalism, and pro gender bullshit. If we abolished genders tomorrow, they wouldn't be special anymore because men and women and everyone in between would just blend together. There wouldn't be much of a difference between a feminine guy and a girl with a dick. But they want to keep and exploit that difference. Because a guy who isn't able to be masculine is an outcast, but a girl with a dick is lusted over. She's higher up in the capitalist hierarchy. They don't want places like Twitter where how much your arguments holds water depends on how many followers you have abolished because if all of the Internet was anonymous forums like it used to be, they'd be nobodies just like the rest of us. They're against things like nofap and no nut November because they want coomers and neets like us to keep giving them money and attention and to become sexually addicted to their bodies. It's a purely capitalist interest that they hold.
>>4167 >Written is response to the neoliberal tranny >This is why I'm becoming less pro trans nowadays Do you really believe that guy is trans? The way he's been acting it's more likely he's just a troll.
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>>4168 >has never heard of r/detrans
>>4188 sorry, I don't use reddit
trans politics bring down the left and should be banned everywhere tbh
>>4200 You don't have to go on reddit to know what detransitioning is. >>4207 based
There are idpollers on the leftypol mod team who get triggered and delete things for troonsphobia if you say anything bad about that pack of rapey narcissists. It also doesn't help that the retarded "council" idea they're using has replicated one of the worst features of anarchist groups: people exercising power without any real accountability for their actions.
>>4222 That isn't the case and you know it. You all continue to lie and spread false information, but, why?
>>4222 >communists never ever bad state worship good centralized power good anarchism only evil https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Pit >what is: >“In late May and June 1945, when the Yugoslav army started emptying its prison camps in Slovenia, prisoners from the Teharje camp and the Stari Pisker prison were brought by trucks at night to the abandoned Barbara Pit mine in Huda Jama.[13] Slovene Home Guard POWs that were singled out in Slovenj Gradec, Velenje, Kranj and Celje were the first ones to arrive on the last week of May. NDH troops were brought on foot.[14] Once arrived, groups of 5–6 prisoners with hands tied with wire were stripped, ordered to kneel above a mine shaft and shot in the head,[15] or were hit with a mine hammer or a pickaxe.[14] In some cases, groups of 20–30 prisoners were tossed into a mine shaft, followed with hand grenades to finish off the victims.[16] A number of prisoners were thrown in alive.[17] Once the shafts were filled with corpses, the remaining prisoners were sent in the direction of Zagorje in northwest Croatia where they were killed,[18] while the bodies were covered with lime to speed up decomposition. The mine was then enclosed with 400 cubic meters of concrete and wooden barriers. Those still conscious tried to climb over each other to reach the hatch, but could not escape the sealed mine.[17] The liquidations were carried out by the 3rd Brigade of the Slovenian KNOJ (People's Defence Corps of Yugoslavia) Division.[15] Several thousand people were killed in the massacre.[19] Most of the victims were prisoners of war, members of the NDH Armed Forces and Slovene Home Guard, and civilians.[20] There are no records of survivors.[21]” “It is estimated that at least 70,000 to 80,000 people were killed following the Bleiburg repatriations.“ not removing the numbers because you have dyslexia retard
>>4228 Comatoast, I know you've tried to throw all the critical posts down the memory hole but it's really dishonest to try and deny that your team are banning people for disagreeing American idealism and sexual hedonism.
>>4250 I think that he isn't denying that people get banned but that he's denying that there are idpollers on the leftypol mod team.
>>4188 Only 2% of trans people detrans tho
>>3985 >Cuba >offers free healthcare and SRS for trans workers in the same way it offers healthcare for all workers >leftypol >bitches and moans about muh trannies because Leftypol is embarrassing
>>4251 There are idpollers on the mod team.
>>3985 Bunkerchan is a white supremacist board now. Poor white people, men and anti-trans facists don't want to have conversations where they might possibly be wrong or excluded so they've basically launched anti-POC, women and trans pogrom by banning idpol. This is not a leftist board, its a strasserite imageboard.
Muh idpol: 1d
>>4262 >>4255 >Bunkerchan is both owned a controlled by liberals and nazis Which is it? You can't have both. This is why idpol is cancer.
It basically goes like this: When we ban reactionaries for being cancerous faggots they cry MUH IDPOL,MOD TEAM, LE LIBERAL MODS And when we ban Liberals for being cancerous morons they do the exact same thing but inversely. Neither one of the two parties are smart enough to understand the greater picture here. They are more so just very myopic.
>>4264 Yes it can you dumb ass, Nazis are just an extreme flavor of liberal.
>>4265 >Look, honestly, I am completely neutral here. Never mind the fact that give the most egregious idpol spouters a light twenty-four slap on the wrist and ignore them espousing liberal talking points while other members of the mod group aggressively purge anyone who dares contradict the idpols. Yes, clearly no-one has noticed the greater picture. No partisan moderation here.
>>4265 being against idpol isn't being "reactionary. Being against the trans takeover of leftist movements isn't being transphobic.
>>4268 > Being against the trans takeover of leftist movements isn't being transphobic. Twitter isn't real life wtf are you about? how did the Corbyn or sanders movement get taken over by trans people? How is any of the latin American socialist movement taken over by trans people?
>>3985 >>3989 based >>4003 >>4007 faggots >>4032 >he deserves sex slaves and demands socialism with patriarchal characteristics kek b.b.based? but only ironically. Patriarchal ok but no no on the slave stuff.Not cool bruh >>4156 Your analysis is rational and balanced but your expectations are not. Feminism (women working for porkie instead of investing her efforts in a family) has been a disaster for all concerned. Furthermore differences between the genders based on millions of years of evolution (the base) will not be overcome by an artificially grafted on neolib feminist superstructure. A benign type of patriarchy is the only logical and realistic solution. No society anywhere has ever functioned with one in some shape or another. >inb4 incel I do alright >>4207 based
>>4250 Burgers have some kneejerk reactions to ideas outside their 60s boomer bubble >>4253 citation needed 40% suicide though - unlike Jeffrey Epstein >>4254 Muh cuba >>4262 what a blistering faggot >>4266 moronic
>No society anywhere has ever functioned without* one (a patriarchy) in some shape or another.
>>4271 Nigga, have you been living in a spiderhole? The UK Labour party is throughly riddled with troonism. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/16/labour-candidates-called-on-to-justify-transphobia-claims
>>4273 >No society has ever functioned without one https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t_l9D7tEixc There is this
>>3985 why is idpol even banned in the first place?
>>4281 If the idol thread comes back for a prolonged period you'll see exactly why comrade
>>4282 but their banned,cant you tell me?are they annoying?why do people respond to them then?
>>4283 I don't mind it so much but it tends to end up touching third rails that makes some people bleed out their eyes simply from having seen how identity politics can combine One that broke a few people last time was cross pollination between incel and radfem ideology Nazbol is also largely banned from here just like my little pony is banned from everywhere on 4chan except /mlp/ even though the Nazbol deep fried meme aesthetic started here
>>4283 Basically idol shit and Nazbol shit is /leftypol/'s my little pony
>>4284 >just like my little pony is banned from everywhere on 4chan the fuck?why?
>>4286 It was all over the place until it got contained in /mlp/ Like constant nonstop cutesy wootsy ponies every damn post on every fucking board Nazbol and idpol get like that on /leftypol/ if it's allowed and at points it was so overwhelming some people still get very very upset if they see any I don't personally, but I now hate cute pictures of ponies even though rationally I can acknowledge that the show was pretty good for a kids car too
>>4287 *cartoon I guess you could say idpol now triggers a lot of anons whose homeboard is /leftypol/
>>4274 lmao you ask for a citation and the use the le 40% study wrong >muh cuba literally not an argument fag
>>4278 litterally only 5 people lmao rIdDlEd WiTh TrOoNiSm
>>4290 t. troon
>>4290 dilate.
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One of my main issues with transphobia in leftist communities is that so many communists, socialists, and anarchists are part of the LGBT community, and excluding them would be shooting yourself in the foot. The smart ones are working towards the same goal of fucking porkie, just like us. I also think it is immoral to dehumanize people like that, especially if they are struggling with self-identification issues. Yes, they can be annoying, but everyone on the internet is. BUT, that is beyond the point. Regarding feminism, women's liberation is and has been a core tenant of socialist and communist thought. Kropotkin wrote about women's emancipation, and Lenin advocated for women to participate in politics. Ocalan is a very important figure in contemporary leftist politics, and he has wrote a great deal about liberating women from the patriarchy (look up Jineology, if you're inclined). Just my two cents.
>>4293 >so many communists, socialists, and anarchists are part of the LGBT community yea, it's not like they're all petit bourg, have you ever met working class people? >excluding them would be shooting yourself in the foot lol
>>4294 blindly excluding leftists because they belong to groups that confuse you or make you uncomfortable seems pretty idpol to me
>>4295 If you want to adopt idealism to the point of psychosis by proclaiming "a laydee is anyone who feelz they iz a laydee" and insisting all who dissent are "transphobes" as >>4293 does, then a materialist ideology like that of the left is actively harming itself by including such saboteurs.
>>4293 >Regarding feminism, women's liberation is and has been a core tenant of socialist and communist thought. No it hasn't. Those theorists argued that women should take part to emancipate themselves, but feminism has historically been a liberal movement associated with the bourgeois and petit-bourgeois.
>>4298 Kropotkin had a whole chapter in the conquest of Bread about how in an anarcho-communist society women needed to be freed from excessive domestic duties, which he repeated referred to as slavery
>>4297 We shouldn't give a fuck if someone wants to wear dresses or makeup if they are a valuable member/ally of a leftist society. >materialist ideology not following. How is acceptance of trans left wingers materialist?
>>4299 >anarcho communist Opinion disregarded also freeing people from social roles is a leftist concept in general. Focusing on the woman aspect of this principle is idpol.
>>4301 >Focusing on the woman aspect of this principle is idpol. that's fifty per cent of the population
>>4302 and its still idpol
>>4300 >We shouldn't give a fuck if someone wants to wear dresses or makeup Yes, which is why the troons who screech endlessly about such things and how it "makes me a laydee" should be removed. >How is acceptance of trans left wingers materialist? Here we see the radlib revealing itself.
>>4304 >troons Here we see the polfag revealing itself.
>>4304 >attempt to engage in respectful discourse >get called a radlib I don't know what I expected on /gulag/ to be honest. Forget the res of this.
>>4305 troon is barely used on /pol/ I see it a lot on radfem forums though
>>4307 I used the term specifically because it annoys the people it describes. Just witness the way that >>4305 has started to whine about terminology. >>4306 Have you fuck attempted to engage in "respectful discourse". """Acceptance""" is conflated with uncritical acceptance of troon bullshit.
>>4308 Should the left not accept any trans people?
>>4309 Are all trans people psychotics?
>>4310 I don't think so.
>>4309 Trans people are allowed as long as they dont bitch about their personal issues (i.e. a guy misgendered me today!!!!!!!!!!!) and focus entirely on class.
>>4311 What do you think falls outside the boundaries of psychosis?
>>4308 > I used the term specifically because it annoys the people it describes. < I annoy struggling minorities on purpose < they reply negatively < SEE, THESE PEOPLE ARE PSYCHOTIC and that's why I support trans and non-binary and whatever minority: fuck the bullies, they are infinitely worse than a bunch of attention-seeking queers on Twitter
>>4310 No gender confirmation surgery is required to avoid castration long term and not all do so and even then escaping castration is not guaranteed
>>5034 What do you do when the attention-seeking queers are the bullies especially of women
>>5036 insignificant minority, stop reading Twitter or whatever TERF shit you are into also FtMs exist
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>argument from insignificant minority yeah that line of argument is going to backfire
>>4310 wait, the left doesn't accept psychotics now?

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