>>1928
These things all look good to me!

why the hell are there two long votes with different policies

do we vote for one of the options or can we vote for all

ugh this is so confusing my brain hurts

going out to mcdonalds brb

>>1932
Oops I should have copied over the explanation. My bad.

" I think that board democracy is very important, but there's also no way on an anon board to ensure that votes aren't stuffed in any number of ways. Therefore, I would say that our version of democracy will basically be that we will post a proposal publicly if it is not something that violates opsec etc, and be open to suggestions on it (as we have done with this manifesto). Then we will discuss those suggestions in the moderation inner channels and vote on them among ourselves, trying to keep in mind the opinion of the board users. If everyone hates a proposal I think we should vote no on it unless there's some very good reason we as vols alone are aware of."

>>1928
>FAST TRACK VOTE: It is proposed that the pinned reading list topic and the /NEW/ topic on leftypol should be merged into one FAQ pinned thread as was present on the old leftypol, since we are now out of the transitionary period, and to reduce the number of pinned threads. This new thread would give advice for new members and board conduct as well as the reading list. VOTING WILL CLOSE 4AM UTC 27/08
Suggest simply unpinning both threads and leaving them as rotating generals

Abstain for other measures

>>1934
This was actually brought up in the mod chat, haha.

>>1934
Changing vote from from abstain to reject for second measure on the grounds of the following posts in /leftypol/'s moderation thread
>>>/leftypol/43663
>>>/leftypol/43667 (me)
>>got every post and thread of mine deleted.
>This really needs to stop happening
>There's nothing wrong with just putting the ban reason in a post instead of worrying about a ban log or naming vols tbqh fam
Changing vote from abstain to reject on the third proposal to avoid board bureaucracy ossification and to promote interboard co-operation, organization and information flow
tl;dr deontlogical version uphold interboardism and antidemocratic measures
>>1935
Good to know the board bureaucracy has their pulse on the mass line and is falling into neither commandism or tailism I'm assuming it's due to good serve the people work on their part

>>1936
>antidemocratic
I'm pretty sure I typed a\ntiburearocratic

Is it a filter or just autocorrect?

Testing: antiburearocratic

Polite sage

>>1936
I'm to lazy to get back on my laptop, but, I think when votes or suggestions get brought to vote here in /gulag/ the staff should tally all the votes for each preposal and apply them to the staff votes for a total site wide vote.

Perhaps staff should just vote here? 🤔

>>1938
Here's why I don't want to do that. It creates too much of a risk of corruption.

>>1941
He's right! This anon is exactly correct. I think we should leave it up to the mods too.

>>1941
>>1942
ur both rite. i vote for this. anons shouldn't have too much say.

>>1941
>>1942
>>1943
They are all right! That's four votes in favour, I believe the motion is carried?

But seriously, in real life people will be a bit more subtle than this, spread it out more, and maybe use different devices/IP addresses, but you get what I'm saying right?

I'm fine with all of these so go ahead.

>>1928
Short vote #1: soy, I like the reading list, although more effort could be put into it.
Long vote #1: based and redpilled.
Long vote #2: based

Now.... how do you vote?

>>1946
>>1933
Thanks for your feedback anons.

>>1928
>ST TRACK VOTE: It is proposed that the pinned reading list topic and the /NEW/ topic on leftypol should be merged into one FAQ pinned thread as was present on the old leftypol, since we are now out of the transitionary period, and to reduce the number of pinned threads. This new thread would give advice for new members and board conduct as well as the reading list. VOTING WILL CLOSE 4AM UTC 27/08

yes
>LONG VOTE: It is proposed that Bunkerchan should, ONCE TECHNICALLY POSSIBLE, create a ban list that is publicly viewable that includes the name of the moderator who issued the ban as well as the details of the post itself, so that users can hold their staff to account more effectively. Obviously, no identifying info or IPs should be publicly visible besides vol name. VOTING WILL CLOSE 4AM UTC 29/08

yes
>LONG VOTE: It is proposed that voting in this channel on issues which only affect one board (or not all boards) should be limited to only the staff members who administrate those board/s. If you think that all moderators of the site should vote on all proposals, please vote thumbs down to this proposal. VOTING WILL CLOSE IN 72 HOURS AT 3AM UTC 29/08

abstain
btw is this how you are supposed to vote? It feels clunky, and gets in the way of discussing the topic to vote about, can'T there be another way?

>FAST TRACK VOTE: It is proposed that the pinned reading list topic and the /NEW/ topic on leftypol should be merged into one FAQ pinned thread as was present on the old leftypol, since we are now out of the transitionary period, and to reduce the number of pinned threads. This new thread would give advice for new members and board conduct as well as the reading list. VOTING WILL CLOSE 4AM UTC 27/08
Yes. There should be one pinned thread for rules, faqs, and links. Other pinned threads should be exclusively announcements or voting like in this thread.
>LONG VOTE: It is proposed that Bunkerchan should, ONCE TECHNICALLY POSSIBLE, create a ban list that is publicly viewable that includes the name of the moderator who issued the ban as well as the details of the post itself, so that users can hold their staff to account more effectively. Obviously, no identifying info or IPs should be publicly visible besides vol name. VOTING WILL CLOSE 4AM UTC 29/08
Yes, with a link in the pinned rules or faq thread.
>LONG VOTE: It is proposed that voting in this channel on issues which only affect one board (or not all boards) should be limited to only the staff members who administrate those board/s. If you think that all moderators of the site should vote on all proposals, please vote thumbs down to this proposal. VOTING WILL CLOSE IN 72 HOURS AT 3AM UTC 29/08
Yes.

All three are cool.

>>1948
We're throwing around ideas about better ways to include anonymous votes from you guys.

Either we are going to use this thread to gauge the user opion on ideas or outright add your votes to the votes in our staff chat.

The problem with the later is people using proxies to abuse; also getting a majority figure is difficult with out aknowing how many users are involved, exactly.

>>1953
>The problem with the later is people using proxies to abuse; also getting a majority figure is difficult with out aknowing how many users are involved, exactly.
For the record I post here entirely from behind tor and a webproxy (because tor is blocked), and I'd rather not be able to vote than there be a witch hunt against proxies. I try to make quality posts, I'm just very interested in privacy.

>>1928
The fast vote on an FAQ topic on leftypol replacing /NEW/ and the reading list has been carried and will be put into effect.
So, with that said, does anyone have a copy of the old FAQ topic?
Or wants to write a new one? I personally am not sure what should be put in it - though perhaps we should merge it with the manifesto since that kind of tells everyone how to act anyways

>>1954
Yes, that is completely understandable.
I, personally, think that we should have an actual onion link, but, it's just very hard to do what we want here over the medium that we have.

Things will get worked out in time. Just gotta have faith, I guess.

>FAST TRACK VOTE: It is proposed that the pinned reading list topic and the /NEW/ topic on leftypol ... VOTING WILL CLOSE 4AM UTC 27/08

yes

>LONG VOTE: It is proposed that Bunkerchan should, ONCE TECHNICALLY POSSIBLE, create a ban list that is publicly viewable ... VOTING WILL CLOSE 4AM UTC 29/08

yes

>LONG VOTE: It is proposed that voting in this channel on issues which only affect one board (or not all boards) ... VOTING WILL CLOSE IN 72 HOURS AT 3AM UTC 29/08

yes

What does everyone think about Charcter limmits?

>>1973
>What does everyone think about Character limits?
I'd support them for OPs so long as filler was also banned for OPs. I'd be iffy about doing the same for replies.

Proposition on table

VOTE: I am bring to the floor a resolution which proposes that character limits be added to the creation of new topics; No topic shall be allowed to be created that does not meet or exceed a character MINIMUM of 100 charcters in total.

My logic behind this action will be to generally increase post quality and limit the amount of actual shit posting that goes on on /leftypol/. With luck this will also channel the shit posts into their necessary topics/boards.

Due to the nature of this request this vote will be considered CRITICAL and will require a 72hour window to resolve.

Posted at 12:00pm UCT 08/30/2019 and will resolve 12pm 09/02/2019

>>1980
**Posted at 12:00pm UCT 08/29/2019 and will resolve 12pm 09/31/2019

<Fuck I'm retarded.

>>1980
>I am bring to the floor a resolution which proposes that character limits be added to the creation of new topics; No topic shall be allowed to be created that does not meet or exceed a character MINIMUM of 100 charcters in total.
I support this proposition so long as "topics" is defined as threads. That being said I would encourage this rule be expanded to exclude obvious attempts to circumvent the minimum without adding more content, for example by copy pasting one phrase repeatedly or something similar.

>>1980
This is 24 characters.
Now, I am at character 49.
100 characters might appear like a
fair minimum at first, but why
do we want to set a minimum
in the first place? Are there not things
that can be best said at less than 100 characters?
Shouldn't we incentivice succinctness, and
well organized thoughts instead? I vote nay.
[324 characters total]

>>1980
the idea of a character minimum being a real barrier to any kind of spam is laughable, and generally only server to friendly-fire actually good threads that don't need much of a description.

I vote nay.

>>1980
> Proposition on table

> VOTE: I am bring to the floor a resolution which proposes that character limits be added to the creation of new topics; No topic shall be allowed to be created that does not meet or exceed a character MINIMUM of 100 charcters in total.

No, you can just as easily spam with 100 characters and provoke discussion with fewer. Threads still will need to be modded

>>1987

/leftypol/ had spam filters for this exact thing, actually.

>>1985
Really the thing about the hundred charcter minimum incentivizes higher levels of discourse rather than just keeping posts above 100 characters. Expecting paticipents to post something that is greater than or at 100 characters incentivizes them to actually think about what they are saying critically and expound on the topic rather than half of the >lol what do you think of x faggots?

Posts that are currently infesting the board.

>>1980
I vote yea. I see no reason not to, despite what the concern trolls are saying. 8/leftypol/ also had a minimum character count and even a word filter.

If you can't type at least two or three sentences, why the fuck are you even here? Are you illiterate?

>>1989
>I vote yea. I see no reason not to, despite what the concern trolls are saying. 8/leftypol/ also had a minimum character count and even a word filter.
152 characters
>I vote yea. I see no reason not to. 8/leftypol/ also had a minimum character count.
84 characters, while making the same point.
All else was clutter.
My oh my, does /leftypol/ have a tongue problem. Can we start trying to be succinct, and attempt to communicate our ideas as clearly as possible, without all of the decorations? Or at least, can we allow the possibility for others to do so, and demonstrate this willingness by not setting a 'minimum word count'?

>>1980
SUPPORT
As a pure formalism to lighten board bureacracy load as even
>fug need to hit 100 characters
Repeated shows effort and intent on the part of the original poster towards having the thread

>>1989
This.

If you can't coherently and accurately explain your ideas why the fuck are you even on this site?
Leftypol on 8chan had it why should this place be any different?

>>1980
Veto, nay whaterever...
While it filters the "commies btfo" it also filters laughter such as "LOL good one comrade, nazis btfo" and its not as conversational. If leftypol really is earnest in articulating socialism and communism let people speak and it may even attract new socialists and communists. The 100 character limit tends to be boomer-esque, sure, its not 300 character minimum. Newcomers arent necessarily going to write long discourses and effort posts just let then feel that they can speak even for the well read they enjoy a short break. Nevertheless people like effort posts, I for one, liked the Late Stage Capitalism posts and general effort posts by others on different threads on different subjects sometimes the same comrades. To increase quality why not encourage comrades to lurk and post in the reading list thread and share sources, citations and proofs. If you cant get your own comrades interested and reading the books and source you might an problem with "normies" on gym sites. I have reading the Communist Manifesto and started reading Das Kapital and Lenins work

If you go to other forums to explain socialism and communism, guess what? There isnt a 100 word limit to prevent "lol a commie", "imao retard", "this". I suggest to talk freely.

Thanks for bunkerchan btw

>>1980
>>1993 (me)
Sorry I read that wrong (I have been in front of the screen for too long the past few days). Let the thread creation have a certain number of characters but let the comments be character limit free.

Yes, sorry about that.

>>1994
Yeah, I am pretty sure that the vote is about the creation of threads not posting as a whole.

>>1980
I vote Yea
My logic is >>1989

>>1995
Sometimes, a 'Discuss' thread is sufficient, imo. I say this because what goes in the creation of a thread sets the anchor that the remainder of the thread will thereby follow. There can be richer conversations, in some cases, where the responses can vary according to each individual poster's unbiased and relatively unanchored thoughts.

>>1980

I vote no

Bunkerchan seems fine without a character limit atm so I'm not bothered.

>>1980
Yea for me

>>1990
see >>>/leftypol/44524 >>>/leftypol/44525

>>1980
Vote yea.
Would cut down on the HAHA COMMIES BTFO threads substantially I think.

>>1980
Please don't do this, this shit is always terrible fun-killing measure. Thread discussion quality is not dependent on the thesis quality of the OP. If you've used image boards long enough you should know this.

>>1928
LONG VOTE: It is proposed that Bunkerchan should, ONCE TECHNICALLY POSSIBLE, create a ban list that is publicly viewable that includes the name of the moderator who issued the ban as well as the details of the post itself, so that users can hold their staff to account more effectively. Obviously, no identifying info or IPs should be publicly visible besides vol name. VOTING WILL CLOSE 4AM UTC 29/08

VOTE PASSED

LONG VOTE: It is proposed that voting in this channel on issues which only affect one board (or not all boards) should be limited to only the staff members who administrate those board/s. If you think that all moderators of the site should vote on all proposals, please vote thumbs down to this proposal. VOTING WILL CLOSE IN 72 HOURS AT 3AM UTC 29/08

VOTE PASSED

These votes will now be put into effect, though you won't see any difference immediately. The one about public mod lists might take a while considering the technical situation, but I hope it helps people to feel like we are okay with being more accountable than certain previous regimes.

>>2003
Having it just for thread OPs would be an improvement at least. 100 characters isn't hard to break if you want to start a new discussion. Short one-liner questions should go to a respective megathread, and ragebait shitposting should just be removed anyway as per the manifesto.

Keep in mind as well, there is /GET/ if you want to chat in a relaxed setting.

>>2005
that's not what was implied!!!
GOD FUCKING DAMMIT YOU'RE FUCKING USELESS!
What was implied was that not everything needs to be a fucking poem/manifesto on here.

>>2008
Maybe you should articulate your proposal a little more clearly if I have somehow misinterpreted it. It is a proposal for a minimum character count for OP posts, is it not?

>>2008
God this anon is fucking stupid.
Why don't you just leave the site and enver come back? Your constant sperging out on every end of the site is fucking jarring.

>>2009
sure
>>2010
I don't know who you're talking about, but you're right about one thing. I think I'm going to leave the bunker for a couple of months. I'll come back in December and hopefully by then the literacy rate will have risen. 'Till Christmas!

>>1928

VOTE: I am bring to the floor a resolution which proposes that character limits be added to the creation of new topics; No topic shall be allowed to be created that does not meet or exceeed a character MINIMUM of 100 charcters in total,

My logic behind this action will be to generally increase post quality and limmit the ammount of actual shit posting that goes on on /leftypol/. With luck this will also channel the shit posts into their neccesary topics/boards.

Due to the nature of this request this vote will be considered CRITICAL and will require a 72hour window to resolve.

Posted at 12:00pm UCT 08/29/2019 and will resolve 12pm 09/01/2019

VOTE PASSED

Hi everyone,

For the sake of transparency, attached to this post is the pdf file with the voting history for the month of August of the bunkerchan's modteam that I will ideally post each month. You will find all the propositions voted on last month and also the details of the votes for each propositions.
This will be also posted in /leftypol/.
Feedback is of course always welcomed.

Have a nice (sectarian infighting filled) day.

Proposal 5: I propose that /trash/ should be returned to /leftypol/ where it was previously based to give /leftypol/ an outlet once again for memey off topic discussion to flourish, It is (in my opinion) damaging to /leftypol/ to try to enforce seriousness and many users have not made the move over to /GET/.

This is in response to some complaints and my own feelings, thanks, have a nice day.

>>2031
Scratch that, new proposal

Proposal 6: A new /leftytrash/ thread will be created and maintained on /leftypol/ along the same lines as the old one, for the purposes of enabling funposting and acting as a pressure valve for non serious topics.

>>2032

No from me; Why should there be such redundancies? /leftypol/ isn't really our home now, bunkerchan is. Leftypol is just part of the over arching super structure of bunkerchan.

There's no point in it. If people are too lazy too click a fucking link then why are they here? It's like the last proposition. If you are too lazy to give at least 100 characters why are you here?

That's how I see it anyways.

Do not want.

>>2032
The proposition is being voted on until 00:00 UTC September 7th, feel free to give your opinion on it.

minimum character limit isn't even possible in lynxchan lmao

>>2032
Hard reject on the basis that funposting doesn't need to be contained, and if it does then there's /ref/ /GET/ /e/ and /dead/ for funposting and non serious discussion containment
Also concur with comrade dubs --> >>2033

>>2032
I agree with comrades >>2033 and >>2041 even though I think redundancies are nice

>>2032
Yes : 2
No : 4
Abstention : 3
Proposition : Rejected

>>2049
This is good, this will allow /GET/ to grow with its proper audience.

>>2020
This is an odd one. I think a well-shortened thread topic would entice more people with shorter attention spans. Which nowadays is a lot of us really.

Vote: Should the e-celeb general thread be de generalised, and e-celeb topics be allowed on the rest of the board (unless they become a nuisance or duplicates of the same thing as with other topics). Vote will conclude 6pm UTC 12/09

>>2068
no.

>>2068
No

Vote: Ban anime

Vote: ban >>2071

>>2071
No
>>2072
Yes

>>2068
VOTE HAS PASSED and will be put into effect.

Vote - Critical - /leftypol/: Should the idpol/gender topic be decycled, and should idpol/gender discussion be allowed on the rest of the board, subject to usual rules about being overly trollish or disruptive? Vote concludes 3am UTC 20/09/19

Vote - Critical - /leftypol/: Should incelposting be a bannable offense? Thumbs up yes, thumbs down no.
Incelposting:

explicit mysoginy (eg. females are whores, etc)
explicit resentment towards the idealized male sexual monopolizer (eg. chad)
explicit resentment towards the idealized female sexual denyier (eg. stacy)
asserting entitlement of sex (including justfying rape and unironic state-sanctioned gfs)
blamining sex-havers for inceldom, as opposed to capitalist alienation
comlpaining about paying taxes (or working) to feed other's children
applying capitalist ontology to sex (the "sex market", regarding women as property)
Vote concludes 3am UTC 20/09/19

We've got something of a stand off today boys!

Vote - Critical - /leftypol/: Should incelposting be a bannable offense? Thumbs up yes, thumbs down no.
Incelposting:
< explicit mysoginy (eg. females are whores, etc)
< explicit resentment towards the idealized male sexual monopolizer (eg. chad)
< explicit resentment towards the idealized female sexual denyier (eg. stacy)
< asserting entitlement of sex (including justfying rape and unironic state-sanctioned gfs)
< blamining sex-havers for inceldom, as opposed to capitalist alienation
< comlpaining about paying taxes (or working) to feed other's children
< applying capitalist ontology to sex (the "sex market", regarding women as property)
Vote concludes 3am UTC 20/09/19

>>2094
>Vote - Critical - /leftypol/: Should the idpol/gender topic be decycled, and should idpol/gender discussion be allowed on the rest of the board, subject to usual rules about being overly trollish or disruptive?
No. I'm in favor of decycling in favor of having enforced generals which can be archived for later users and reference, but I believe that having a containment thread for a certain type of posts which are neither productive, nor enjoyable and certainly not quality is of extreme importance to the health of the board. A board volunteer put it well:
>>>/leftypol/59088
>To elucidate some motivation specifically on the /idpol/ general, idpol can be tricky to moderate. A nuanced conversation can turn into incel/racist/transphobia/etc very quickly, and it tends to do so.
>When we didn't have the idpol general, there would be 5 different daily idpol threads all with /pol/ bait as OP and it generally attracted the worst posters and encouraged their shit takes. Those threads usually had 3-4 words per post on average (eg. "fuck [trannies/jews/gays]").
>Also, idpol can derail a thread extremely quickly. Sending people over to the idpol thread has been a good tactic to let people continue discussing some topic without it derailing the entire thread.
>As a board user, I can empathize. I enjoy btfo'ing idpol-liberals as much as anyone, and the current idpol general isn't really a great place to do it. I also enjoy discussing idpol more generally, which is definitely not suited to /idpol/. We've been more lax as of late towards "meta" discussions of idpol, while still sending idpolers to the idpol thread.

>Vote - Critical - /leftypol/: Should incelposting be a bannable offense? Thumbs up yes, thumbs down no.
This would have to include a ban on posting not just about "chads" and "stacys" but also "incels" for me to support it. This would be simply a unbiased way remove a significant portion of modern internet identity politics from the board, and with it a certain segment of the mentioned neither enjoyable nor productive posts on the board.

I hope my comrades will see things similarly.

>>2094
Vote - Critical - /leftypol/: Should the idpol/gender topic be decycled, and should idpol/gender discussion be allowed on the rest of the board, subject to usual rules about being overly trollish or disruptive? Vote concludes 3am UTC 20/09/19
No, because the majority of /leftypol/ are white boys that are far to reactionary with regards to superstructure politics like race and gender.

>Vote - Critical - /leftypol/: Should incelposting be a bannable offense? Thumbs up yes, thumbs down no.
Incelposting:
< explicit mysoginy (eg. females are whores, etc)
< explicit resentment towards the idealized male sexual monopolizer (eg. chad)
< explicit resentment towards the idealized female sexual denyier (eg. stacy)
< asserting entitlement of sex (including justfying rape and unironic state-sanctioned gfs)
< blamining sex-havers for inceldom, as opposed to capitalist alienation
< comlpaining about paying taxes (or working) to feed other's children
< applying capitalist ontology to sex (the "sex market", regarding women as property)
Vote concludes 3am UTC 20/09/19
NO
And this bias as hell write up was obviously written by some butt hurt soy boy mod.
The incel posters haven’t been any of those things. What’s been fucking happening is that feminist cucks have been doing everything they can to prey on the insecurities of incels and SURPRISE, they get incels to speak abrasively about women once in a while, the very people they said they had a problem with.
BTW if you do this you’ll lose a good 30-50 unique IPs immediately, and problem 100 long term including mine.
The incel thread has been the number one fastest moving thread and incels have been making novel, and substantial insights into how capitalism plays a role in their plight.
China just changed the law to favor men because of the very sexual market issues incels are talking about.
The other thing is you assume only incels are this frustrated with dating, plenty of other men are as well.
When reddit deleted the Pick Up Artist subreddit “The Red Pill” their site traffic rankings when from number 5 to number 14. That’s exactly what will happen to this site. Other anons are free to enrich other threads and make them more compelling but they don’t. You all fancy yourselves as some kind of intelligencia but you’re all as dull as dish water.

>>2097
*misformatted
>Vote - Critical - /leftypol/: Should the idpol/gender topic be decycled, and should idpol/gender discussion be allowed on the rest of the board, subject to usual rules about being overly trollish or disruptive? Vote concludes 3am UTC 20/09/19
No, because the majority of /leftypol/ are white boys that are far to reactionary with regards to superstructure politics like race and gender

>>2096
Agree with this on the main
>This would have to include a ban on posting not just about "chads" and "stacys" but also "incels" for me to support it. This would be simply a unbiased way remove a significant portion of modern internet identity politics from the board, and with it a certain segment of the mentioned neither enjoyable nor productive posts on the board.
Support this, but with the modification that complaining about "chads" is allowed

Suggestion, consider allowing more nuanced discussions outside the general, but allow unpleasant or distasteful venting in the general

When complaints are made about things being shut down, direct them to the general

>>2099
>Support this, but with the modification that complaining about "chads" is allowed
Which is to say at least allow them the most deserving target for their resentment
t. someone who just found out that by incel definitions they're a chad

>>2099
Why would talk of "Chads" be allowed but not "Stacys" or incels? Ban it altogether or don't, quit trying to make this your personal hug box.
If you ban incel talk your numbers are going to drop and never come back, this is The Rojova Incident all over again

>>2100
>t. someone who just found out that by incel definitions they're a chad
Getting sex once in a while from a Roastie doesn't make you a Chad. Just a failed normie.

>>2101
Because incel talk is the male equivalent of feminism, with all the good and the bad that implies, incels complaining about chad look sympathetic to the non incel audience, incels going into other topics are about as sympathetic as radfem menchhasse or TRAs complaining about cockshot

Also if you pay attention you'll notice I suggested not banning, but keeping the strong language contained to the general
>>2102
That's not what convinced me, it was an incel saying only chads can cold approach successfully :^)

To be clear I'm the guy that posted >>>/leftypol/63212 in the moderation thread

>>2103
>Because incel talk is the male equivalent of feminism, with all the good and the bad that implies, incels complaining about chad look sympathetic to the non incel audience, incels going into other topics are about as sympathetic as radfem menchhasse or TRAs complaining about cockshot 
This is stupid as fuck and won't work. Either ban incels and watch your numbers drop, or allow them and come up with some convincing anti incel arguments that aren't dripping in liberalism.

>>2094
>>2095
Major concern, doing this will empower destiny tier liberals

>>2095
Vote yes.

I would like to see a blanket ban on all incelposting including shitting on incels. Incelposting derails threads, curtails interesting discussion and gets the whole board riled up in a very unproductive way. Ban it all.

>>2095
No.

Incelposting is very entertaining in certain contexts. This topic policing will be the death of this website if we allow it to continue any more than it already has. Just let the fucking mods delete spam and illegal content and the community can self-moderate the rest.

Do we have enough data now to assess whether the de-cyclicing is having the desired effect on PPH and post quality yet? I took a peek at the daily graphs and did not notice a persistent change. I generally tune out all the low quality posts so I'm not sure if there has been a change in this or not. Anyone have a opinion or want to do a more rigorous look over of the data?

>>2111
>No.

>Incelposting is very entertaining in certain contexts. This topic policing will be the death of this website if we allow it to continue any more than it already has. Just let the fucking mods delete spam and illegal content and the community can self-moderate the rest.
This, the anti incel anons are just fanny furious all their arguments are liberal pap.
Reddit did this very thing with Pick Up Artist closing down their "The Red Pill" subreddit and their site traffic ranking crashed from #3 most trafficked site on the internet to #14. You do this now while the site is still nascent and you'll doom the site to irrelevance forever. It will never recover because bunkerchan.xyz does not have other traffic to piggyback off of like /leftpol/ on 8chan.
More anons better vote against this unless you want to stay all alone in a circlejerk.

>>2113
There is also a chance that every sane person will gtfo if the board starts to be overrun with redpill/incel shit.

>>2114
yeah this seems a lot more likely

>>2115
>incel talk in all of 3 threads.
OH MY GAWD WE'RE BEING OVER RUN.

>>2116
but isn't one enough? I think one is actually more than enough. If no one likes you it doesn't really help to be extra annoying.

>>2113
also lol at thinking Pick Up Artists could make such a big dent in reddit.

>>2118
"The Red Pill" was in the top 5 of most concurrent online users for a subreddit. r/incels was as well. Their rankings dropped right after they banned TRP. That's why they came up with the new "containment" strategy where the number of currently online users and subs is hidden and you get a content warning each time you visit the subreddit. They don't want to lose anymore traffic by outright banning manosphere subs anymore.

>>2117
>but isn't one enough? 
To stroke fears of an incel coup? No one isn't enough.

>>2119
Do you really want to turn leftypol into a manosphere shithole? I thought this was supposed to be an anti-idpol board.

>>2094
>Should the idpol/gender topic be decycled, and[...]
No
>Should incelposting be a bannable offense?
No

>>2094
>Vote - Critical - /leftypol/: Should the idpol/gender topic be decycled, and should idpol/gender discussion be allowed on the rest of the board, subject to usual rules about being overly trollish or disruptive? Vote concludes 3am UTC 20/09/19
Nah, maintaining containment more generally is a good idea.

Vote - Critical - /leftypol/: Should incelposting be a bannable offense? Thumbs up yes, thumbs down no.
Yes - incels should be reclassified as a type of idpol at the minimum, blanket banned if needed.

>>2121
inceldom is an idpol

Yes to banning incels. Incels are stuck in a reactionary, bitter ideology of wallowing in self pity on the most pathetic grounds imaginable.

If you are wallowing in misery for not getting your dick wet in the right way or something you don't care about leftist principles, liberating others, or the creation of justice; you care about yourself and your own self value through sexual yard sticks.

>>2126
>you don't care about leftist principles, liberating others, or the creation of justice; you care about yourself and your own self value through sexual yard sticks
t. sexhaver

A potential counter proposal to the current proposal is to allow idpol topics to leak out to e-celeb talk since all the e-celebs talk about is idpol anyway

User proposal, liberals are reactionaries

>>2129
also sjws and radlibs are liberals and therefore reactionary

One more user proposal wordfilter the various labels for trans to incel and incel to trans

>>2128
>A potential counter proposal to the current proposal is to allow idpol topics to leak out to e-celeb talk since all the e-celebs talk about is idpol anyway
>>2131
>One more user proposal wordfilter the various labels for trans to incel and incel to trans
I genuinely don't understand why everyone is so opposed to enforced containment threads. It's a simple effective solution, and once again I've seen no evidence that degeneralizing the e-celeb, nor the american thread has persistently increased PPH according to the daily graphs. I have noticed slightly more thread derailment due to incel posting recently (obviously conversation is a two way game so I'm not pointing blame at either side here), if these individuals want to talk about this issue so badly why not give them a thread, and make sure they stay there instead of derailing threads?

>>2131
This is just you trying to censor talk about both transgender people and incels because your booty blasted. I vote no.

>>2133
>something that doesn't stop a thing but will fuck with newfrens is censorship
ok
>>2132
This is a good question

>>2134
>Fustrating speech to the point people stop talking about it isn't censorship.

>>2135
>implying people will stop talking about either of those topics no matter what attempts are made

>>2136
No, they'll just leave the board entirely, and slide the site into irrelavancy.

>>2137
I don't think site traffic is even going going to be remotely negatively impacted by us not being able to discuss incels or trannies.

User proposal time for a vol purge
All vols are to read https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1852/18th-brumaire/ and take a test on the contents

All vols who fail are to be removed

>>2137
>if you throw us incels out you will become irrelevant!!
kek delusion

>>2138
Meh, I think you might be surprised. People love to discuss bullshit or they wouldn't do it.

>>2141
>ban the fastest threads with the most replies will sink popularity of this site
>delusion
People don't like your stupid topic policing.

>>2143
If this board dies because we ban incelposting it wouldn't deserve to live anyway.

>>2145
>One of the best leftist sites should die because they talked about one thing I didn't like.
We don't all have Fortnight to go back to kido.

>>2139
and i suppose you will mark the test and you interpretation is the correct one?

I prefer incels over trans, because nobody's going to make an effort to cancel censor or ban anyone for calling them on their bullshit

Vote - Bunkerchan - Critical : Tor posting should be enabled, albeit with limitations (e.g. specific captchas for tor posters, disabling of posting picture etc...) to be decided upon later in function of the difficulty of their technical implementation and efficacy to limit abuse. This vote will conclude on 8 A.M. UTC 25/09/2019.

>>2155
I would very much so like to see this pass, although I'd understand if others did not. It's not a particularly easy vote when one considers the trade offs between the privacy of our users, the quality of our board, and the stress put on our moderators resources. Regardless privacy means quite a lot to me, so thank you for considering. Written behind tor and a webproxy (because tor is blocked).

>>2155
Suggest the board bureaucracy consulting the dev and site administration on the practicality and ease of implementation of this before going ahead with the vote

>>2094
>>2095
Just to clarify for everyone, both of these votes FAILED so the status quo will continue for now. We may revisit the issue with some compromise proposal later on.

>>2158
Question: is incelposting allowed outside the containment thread?

>>2155
Yes Tor posting should be allowed. It was allowed on 8chan's /tech/, but they required a capatcha for each post.
They didn't even ban image postings. Someone could still post CP using a VPN or a coffee shop Wi-Fi, so it doesn't really prevent that.

>>2160
no

>>2160no, it's still idpol

>>2155
Yes : 7
NO : 0
Abstention : 1
Proposition approved.

>>2167
This is wonderful news! I look forward to it being implemented!

btw how do we know if the vote is legitimate? eg carried out by a mod? Can the admins just post the votes with their admin tag, so we know its real? Also: the vast majority of the site, doesn't frequent this thread and don't know when a vote is being held, how could we fix this, it seems like a problem for me

>>2167
8 votes ?
there should be a link/reminder of current votes on front page/leftypol itself. Passing a decision with 8 votes is a bit ridiculous

>>2239
only jannies can vote.

>>2208
We do the actual vol votes on Riot, krates (I think) publishes a monthly vote log on /leftypol/ mod topic if you want to check it's legit.

>>1928

Vote - Critical - All Vols: The boards /e/ and /tech/ should be merged (with their topics imported if technically realistic) into a singular /hobby/ board, to be established on the success of this vote, at https://bunkerchan.xyz/hobby/ . This new board will be intended to serve as a left wing or politics agnostic space for the discussion of hobbyist topics (defined broadly as any kind of entertainment, art, passtime, or technical skill). /tech/ and /e/ will therefore be closed. If /hobby/ proves to be dominated by a singular topic it may justify the creation of a new board related to that subject, when the required population to open a new board is proven. Vote closes 14:00 UTC 23/10/19

>>1928

Vote - Critical - All Vols: The board /dead/ does not have the required population to support its use, and it should be closed, with post-left discussion moved to /leftypol/ if needed. Vote closes 14:00 UTC 23/10/19

>>2362
Please consider the following post: >>2330 and the other posts it links to when voting, thank you.

>>2363
Oppose.

>>2363
no

>>2363
Seems that /dead/ doesn't want to die
>>2367
>>2368
>>>/dead/462

>>2362
>>2363
What was the result of the votes?

>>2382
1st vote passed with 7 ayes and 1 nay
2nd vote passed with 9 ayes

These decisions will be put into effect today or tomorrow hopefully.

We understand that some people are unhappy with the decisions, however we feel we have done what the majority were in favour of, and that this will be a positive step for the site - in addition, it is implicit in our decision that boards may be created at a later date if the population is proven to support them. Overall, boards with only 2-3 posts per day make the site look inactive and abandoned, and we hope that /hobby/ will revitalise discussion on these topics.

>>2383
I wonder why do you and the other mods think why /e/ is dead?

leftypol has these threads:
>>>/leftypol/96581
>>>/leftypol/63325
>>>/leftypol/27850
>>>/leftypol/27775
So there is an interest in other topics besides leftism.

The first post on /e/ since we came here was >>>/e/158
The first post on /tech/ since we came here was >>>/tech/241
Considering the current post count of /e/ and /tech/, /tech/ is two times as fast as /e/ while being a moar niche board.

personally, I believe that >>2379 has a point.

>>2383
/hobby/ is live!

https://bunkerchan.xyz/hobby/catalog.html

Comrade King is currently in the process of migrating over the active threads from /tech/ and /e/, however if there's a topic from 6 months ago you want to save, now is a good time to repost it.

>>2385
Why is it that at every possible impasse the moderation team decides to sacrifice quality for quantity? Your obsession with survival will be the death of you.

Perhaps >>>/tech/ should make its own imageboard, but with blackjack and hookers. I already have a good chunk of a template done, wouldn't take long to finish off. Maybe a few weeks of very part time work.

>>2387
All the top /tech/ topics are being migrated over, I don't think you need to worry about anime fans posting in your super serious software dev topics, at worst you might get some new interest from people that never used /tech/.

>>2388
Honestly man, it's not just this it's everything. I'm not mad, I'm just tired of it. I don't remember the last competent choice made by the staff, maybe the tiny character limits? Between that Krates accidentally deleting all my posts on >>>/leftypol/, staff now deleting the board I moved to after that happened, the repeat incompetent choices, the ineffectual responses, and the shitty styling and parsing on the site, I think I'll go through with this. Why not.

>>2389
Sorry man. I just wanted to make discussion more active.

>>2390
>Sorry man. I just wanted to make discussion more active.
You're not responsible, no need to apologize, we're all just causal processes, it makes more sense for me to blame the big bang than you personally. Don't worry about it. My actions are not motivated by anger, and hopefully we can have a healthy relationship once things are up and running.

>>2383
>>2385
Based. Glad it's finally happening.

>>2393
Well, at least somebody isn't up in arms about it. Thanks.

>>2394
Very few people seem to have an issue with it, /hobby/ is actually getting 20-30 posts per hour. Going from 3 dead boards to 1 active board is definitely a good thing.

>>2396
<Going from 3 dead boards to 1 active board is definitely a good thing.
>go to hobby
>/tech/ doesn't get discussed
It's almost like /hobby/ is only active because It's new and people have shilled for it instead of it being a merge.

>>2363
Just leave /dead/ alone. If it's not very active, that means it's not taking up many server resources. So what if there's a slow board on the site? No every board on 4chan is as active as /b/ or /pol/, they have /t/ which is slow.

There is room for slow boards on the site. How about this, make me BO of /dead/ and if we're not at whatever threshold of PPH you deem acceptable in a month you can delete it.

>>2399
>/tech/ doesn't get discussed
Then discuss it. Nothing is stopping you.

>>2400
anonrade speaks troof

>>2400
You realize it takes resources to his even a dead board right?

Some mother fucking radlib mod is censoring shit that hurts his fee fee again.
This post got deleted out of the sex politics cyclical
>>115477
And my post in the Richard Spencer meltdown thread got deleted too. It wasn't referenced by anyone so I don't have the number.

>>2597

when were the posts, made? Also, this thread is not for complaints make a new thread please.

>>2598
The post I made in the Spencer thread was posted on the 2nd.

We are holding currently two new votes:
Vote 1 - Critical - Bunkerchan - /gulag/ should be the exclusive board for all meta discussions. Vote closes 14:00 UTC 07/11/2019
Vote 2 - Critical - Bunkerchan - There should be board specific threads on /gulag/ about mod related issues. (Only if vote 1 above is approved, for obvious reasons). Vote closes 14:00 UTC 07/11/2019

>>2601
>Vote 1
Sure, as long as the vols don't post >>>/gulag/ and delete posts at any whiff of meta discussion. People replying to a banned post with positive or negative feedback isn't by itself a "discussion." It's pretty easy to make a thread/post here and reply to such a post there with a link to here. Just type >>>/gulag/2601 or whatever the post number is and you can link from other boards. If someone has more nuanced to say than MODS=GODS or "that didn't warrant a ban" they can post about it here and link that in a reply to the post. Big problem with /gulag/ is lack of activity. If meta discussion goes here, there should at least be crosslinks from the place being discussed. That way you will get more traffic here and the people who are most interested will see there's a discussion happening. If standard procedure is simply "take it to /gulag/" then at best people have to look for the discussion here and at worst it disappears into the void.

>Vote 2
This seems like a reasonable approach if Vote 1 passes.

>>2602
>Just type >>>/gulag/2601 or whatever the post number is and you can link from other boards. If someone has more nuanced to say than MODS=GODS or "that didn't warrant a ban" they can post about it here and link that in a reply to the post.
That's basically what I had in mind. When I proposed "/gulag/ should be the exclusive board for all meta discussions", I didn't mean that all meta discussion should be deleted and banned on sight but merely redirecting anons to /gulag/ so they can have a proper space to debate their points without derailing a thread or clogging up a board with meta.

>>2603
Neat. Then the practice just needs to be encouraged until it's standard.

>>2601
This vote has FAILED at present but it may return in a different form as we work on things behind the scenes - thank you for your patience.

Technocracy flag when

>>1928
Vote 1: The maximum message length on /leftypol/ and /hobby/ will be doubled to 8192 characters. Vote closes 8pm UTC 05/12/19

Vote 2: The following image will be added to Bunkerchan as a favicon. Vote closes 8pm UTC 05/12/19

First of all this voting system is bad because anyone can very easily rig it with proxies/VPNs ITT.

>>2798
1. Sure I don't care.
2. No because we're supposed to pick from multiple possible favicons, not just one choice.

For example here are some other possible favicons people can vote on.

>>2799
Exactly the reason why only mods can vote, the input of the users in this topic is advisory

>>2800
They're ok but too small to really distinguish (though I have a small soft spot for the alunya one)

>>2800
What about this?

>>2803
That would have been my second choice but I think it's a bit hard to discern.

Oh, well, hell, I'll put those two to the collective too.

>>2798
>Vote 1: The maximum message length on /leftypol/ and /hobby/ will be doubled to 8192 characters. Vote closes 8pm UTC 05/12/19
Check with space on what the page size of the machine bunkerchan is running on and ask if it'll cause any issues first, if no issues go for it
>Vote 2: The following image will be added to Bunkerchan as a favicon. Vote closes 8pm UTC 05/12/19
Sure go ahead, it can always be changed again later right?

>>2800
>>2803
'alunya' and 'bunkerchan logo smol' are also being voted on now.

I picked our girl, she's the hero of my heart, but we'll see.

>>2798
>Vote closes 8pm UTC 05/12/19
And?

>>2816
That favicon vote has been superceded by voting on other options, the expansion to character limit will be implemented when we can get ahold of Space. Thanks.

The favicon vote has ended, with this as the victor! It will be added as soon as we can get Space to. Also, >>>/get/ will now be filtered to >>>/GET/ on /leftypol/ and /gulag/ in order to make links work. Thanks friends!

>>2826
soooo Is Space going to do it or...

>>1928 Vote passed and will be implemented: All volunteers of /leftypol/ and /hobby/ should also have volunteer status on /gulag/ for general board maintenance and spam prevention and in order to directly reply to posts with volunteer tags. Vote passed and will be implemented: A plaintext link to 'catalog' will be added to the top of threads and board homepages on all boards to aid 4channers in acclimatising and limit confusion, the existing catalog button will be left in place as well.

>>1928 Vote: (you)s wlll be implemented for post replies as seen on 8/4chan to aid in acclimatisation. Vote ends 09/01/20, general vote (all vols)

>>3917 Vote passed and will be implemented by the tech team workload permitting.

>>1928 Vote: It will be added to the /leftypol/ manifesto and agreed by the general mod team that post history must be reviewed in full by the acting volunteer before an IP deletion is issued, for both global bans, and board specific bans on /leftypol/, /hobby/, and /gulag/. Vote ends 14/4/20 5am UTC. All vols permitted to vote.

>>1928 Vote: It will be added to the /leftypol/ manifesto and agreed by the general mod team that post history must be reviewed in full by the acting volunteer before an IP deletion is issued, for both global bans, and board specific bans on /leftypol/, /hobby/, and /gulag/. Vote ends 14/4/20 5am UTC. All vols permitted to vote. Vote passed and will be implemented Vote: Delete the idpol thread. Vote ends: 16/01/2020 22:17 UTC Vote passed and will be implemented I'll give you guys until 11.17pm to finish your arguments in the idpol topic (1 hour from now) as that's when the vote officially ends. Enjoy.

VOTE: The recreation of /tech/ 08:00 WENSDAY 1/15/2020 Vote will conclude on Saturday 08:00UTC

VOTE: This vote will bring to the floor the creation of a roulette board the test the user demand for temporary boards. If boards garner enough traffic (as to be deliberated upon by the staff) then the board would establish a permanent home on the site. Otherwise it is to be tossed to the dust bin of history; either to be forgotten or be rehased in the future. This vote will conclude on Monday 13:30UTC

>>3966 Kudos whoever thought of this compromise. Even if it doesn't work its a good attempt

>>3966 Oppose. As /GET/ is supposed to be operating as our /b/, thread frequency on a given topic there should be instructional on the requirement for a new board.

>>3966 Please make /his/ the first board (or vote on it), for the reasons I have argued here: >>>/leftypol/220035 >>>/leftypol/220040 >>>/leftypol/220101 >>>/leftypol/220379

>>3966 >This vote will conclude on Monday 13:30UTC It is Tuesday.

>>3982 The vote was concluded and passed with a unanimous effort. I created the board but the other admins walked it back, saying that it should wait until we can put it in the java bars API at the top to not cheat anyone of any time on the board and maximizing user exposure too it. I am in partial agreement with their logic. Needless too say, the vote has passed.

VOTE: This vote will be considered CRITICAL as par the constitution of this site. This vote will codify the move to bring new staff members onto the team. As it sits the amount of work currently required is more than I think the few of us can handle, atm. This vote will ratify the desire of the current administration to bring new people into the inner circle. This vote will conclude on Saturday 1/25/2020 at 19:00UTC

VOTE: It is my belief that polyops are using their image-macros, even in good faith arguments, to spread inane propaganda involving their ideological view points.In lieu of this I am proposing that we spoil all files posted or shared by Nazi posters as not to give them ideological ground and force them to focus mainly on their arguments. This vote will conclude on Sunday 20:30UTC

>>3986 Why can't you, as an admin, change the top bar? Don't tell me space is the only person who can do it.

>>4050 Because I am not proficient enough in javascript in order to do so. We already have it changed, though, we just need space to push the features through.

Vote: Approve the updated manifesto, which will formally replace the old manifesto and will be posted on /leftypol/ and other boards as applicable. Critical vote, ends 12/02/20 at 1am UTC. All staff.

>>4176 Oppose. The authors have no intention of abiding by this document and it's not worth the electrons used to write it.

>>4181 Harsh but ok

>>4176 It's a fucking website, not a country. lol >congressional matters You should have spent the time reading. >Our mission, above all, is to learn, and help others learn, the philosophical tools necessary to elucidate the interrelated and ever-increasingly complex space of self, society, and politics, from the local to the global scale. Oh nvm, I see you were just masturbating. I do it too, everyone does, but usually my emissions don't come out as text.

>>4256 >congressional matters presidium ffs there's a perfectly cromulent word you could have used that is more apropos

Why are the mods bigger sjws and more strict than the 8leftypol bo?

Why is Tor blocked again? I thought it was decided to enable it.

Don't. Terrible idea. If you're considering it, you've never been to ULP or you're 15yo yourselves. So now mods, in addition to barely managing bunkerchan (and not doing a great job of it, let's be honest), want to manage a discord/riot chat that will most certainly be flooded with /pol/acks, children and "memers". You haven't addressed the issues of moderation on bunkerchan, but now you want to expand? Why? This is obviously just a power grab. "People want to use a chat? Better control that too!" I wouldn't be opposed to you guys doing these things if you have shown to have an iota of leadership ability in you, but you don't. That's why you allow admins to run rampant, and that is why you rely on voting to make decisions, so that you can wash your hands of the decision. Why should we let 7 people who can't even talk amongst themselves to reach a consensus to increase their sphere of influence? What, you want to be terrible at something else now, too?

>>4381 >That's why you allow admins to run rampant tbf, the mods couldn't do anything about pyongyang, Space_ was the only one who could demote him and he didn't want to.

>>4382 I use "mods" to mean the whole bunkerchan leadership. There seems to be no cohesion amongst the mods and often they seem to be on opposite sides of issues (tonbe resolved by a simple vote). How can such a leadership provide a "unitary vision" for the site? Will the chat also require voting, further slowing down decision-making and evolution of the website? Honestly, even if the mod team here was perfect, the discord/riot chat would also be a terrible idea. It will reduce traffic to the site, because now people will have an "official" chat to talk about things, and won't have to come here to do it. But then again, it might get all the kids off the board. 🤔 But our mod team is not perfect and I doubt their ability to run two things successfully based on the fact that they're not able to run one thing successfully.

>>4383 >There seems to be no cohesion amongst the mods and often they seem to be on opposite sides of issues (tonbe resolved by a simple vote). Yes it's called a 'consensus' and it helps to highlight problems with stupid ideas by one or two people so that they can be fixed or discarded, it's to prevent bad decisions getting forced through by one person like what killed /leftypol/ the first time

Vote: In-thread identification should be set up to prevent samefagging and spamming Ends: Mar 22 17:40:08 2020 UTC

Vote: Uploading of new flags as proposed by users March 24 23:53:17 UTC

>>4403 Any updates on this?

>>4398 i don't mind the ids but the colours are distracting. see if there's an option to disable them, otherwise add this to style sheet .labelId {background:none;} or .labelId {background:none !important;}

>>4403 updates?

Why was I banned permanently?

>>4500 Not a vol or admin so I'm speculating here, but that's a very broad rangeban that's probably at the ISP level So someone who uses the same internet provider was probably doing something like spamming advertisements or NSFW then resetting their IP when banned

>>4500 Piggybacking on this, Mods need guidance on what IP ranges to ban and not ban - many individual VPN exits and tor exits are banned for a variety of (very) old rule-breaks for the usual spam etc. Would it be possible to have a way to distinguish genuine IPs from proxied ones so that others aren't affected by it as well?

>>4502 Hope they get it fixed, I had to switch over to my VPN to post again.

Make me admin

>>4500 You just got the taste of true Communism. When Stalin is unsure whom to execute, he executes everyone.

>>4504 done.

>>4509 u lied

>>4403 UPDATE?

>>4510 nah bro cmon bro wtf bro believe me bro just check the spam folder bro and click the link bro comrade bro

Bunkerchan should federate in the Fediverse, together with Mastodon and others Btw, do Bunkerchan produces a RSS file?

>>4661 That would be fucking awesome

>>4661 I know we have an RSS feed for posts on the site, though, I think it's broken right now. What's Fediverse/Mastodon, etc etc. I've heard the term Mastodon being thrown around before.

>>4725 Passed

>>4744 When will it occur?

>>4745 When we push through the gochan overhaul

From the consultation, the community seems largely against the idea of an official discord. The project will thus be abandoned, to formalise it we are currently having the following mod vote : Vote - The project of an official /leftypol/ discord maintained by the /leftypol/ mod team shall be abandoned. Vote Ends 17:00 UTC 30/04/2020 Thank you

Vote : Ban Sakai posting.

>>4758 Vote - The project of an official /leftypol/ discord maintained by the /leftypol/ mod team shall be abandoned. Vote Ended 17:00 UTC 30/04/2020 Approved For : 10 Against : 0 Abstention : 0 >>4759 Mod Vote - Critical - At the end of /v/'s /roulette/ trial, a /games/ board shall be created which encompass video games, board games and tabletop games. This vote ended 21:45 UTC 29/04/2020. Approved For : 3 Against : 1 Abstention : 0

Vote: Bumplocked threads with no justification in thread should be immediately unbumplocked Expires May 4, at 6:00 UTC.

>>4783 Approved

Are we going to have every board 4chan has eventually or? Isn't it a bit much and a far stray from our focus with not only /v/, but now also /a/? I'm not even a sports guy but at least that has a arguable defense for being added. What's defensible with straight up entertainment? How much lefty games and anime is there, really? Is it gonna be CoD generals in a year? Wasn't /hobby/ supposed to be the general for all this vague shit? At least /sports/fitness/cooking/ actually has real-world useful applications, like socialism.

Wouldn't it be better to replace /v/ & /a/ with something like /graphical-art/?

Vote: ban posts encouraging pedophilia on leftypol.

>>4790 It's becoming clear most of the people who visit this website are still kids in high school.

>>4774 Mod Vote : Should /a/ be the next /roulette/ trial board? Vote ends 20:30 07/05/2020 UTC. For : 5 Against : 0 Abstention : 0 Approved

I'm starting to think that liberals are starting to infect /leftypol/ and become the ban-happy mods. If the mods are not the liberals themselves, they cave into the demands of the liberals. Eg. >Liberal: "ahh that guy discussed arranged marriages! HEZ AN INC*L" >Mod: "oh fuck" *swings ban hammer* I do understand the mods' intention to stop the inc*l menace, but now, they seem to believe any word from liberals. Moderators are a reactionary concept anyway.

>>4853 For : 4 Against : 0 Abstention : 0 Approved

MOD VOTE - We shall vote in order to choose the new mods from the candidates Vote ends 4th of June 12:00 UTC

Whole Tor network is permabanned yet again, with multiple overlapping bans. Most of the time I get this message: <Your ip range 36.5.129.0.128.0.92.161.0.0.0.0 has been banned from /leftypol/. <Reason: "spam". <This ban will not expire. <Your ban id: 5efc792d17d6321c14305723. It's a kick in the balls when you put some effort into writing your post and then can't even post it.

tried to post this on >>>/leftypol/314001 but it wont go thru, finally tried here, this is the original msg: YOU GODDAMN FUCKING NIGGERS ARE FUCKING UP THIS BOARD SO MUCH THE POST I JUST TRIED TO MAKE HERE WAS JUST EATEN AND DIDN'T EVEN GO THRU AND WHEN I BACKSPACE TO THE CACHE ITS GONE. FIX YOUR GODDAMN WEBSITE. let me try to type this out AGAIN whoever is handling the retard jannie(s) who keep banning Tor nodes should be beaten senseless with a fucking brick because it makes ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING SENSE to be banning them. it DOESNT PREVENT SPAM because the spammer can just request a new circuit and the "Tor users are blocked" 500 error is inconsistent. i am having to change circuits 15-20 TIMES EACH POST just for it to go thru and it has made posting basically impossible now. i live in a country where EVERYTHING is surveilled so if i cant post from Tor i cant post at all. i bet many anons are in my position. PLEASE fix this already. just put all the tor nodes on a whitelist and prohibit them from being banned. banning them does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING but penalize anons like me later even tho WE WERENT SPAMMING while the nazi gets away with shitting it up because they can burn thru all the nodes and fuck us all anyway. or just only allow Tor nodes to be banned for a day or something. permabans/long bans are literal boomer tier retard approach that shows the jannie doesnt understand what Tor is and should be allowed NOWHERE NEAR ip banning tools if they cannot CHECK THE IP IF ITS A TOR NODE first and if they just rangeban tor nodes, which can ban DOZENS of Tor nodes at once because many of them are provided by large network entities which run Tor nodes all on a similar ip range, like 185.220.xxx.xxx in germany. there is literaly NO EXCUSES AT THIS POINT, clearly Tor users can post but this approach is totally schizo and shows a basic ignoranse of how Tor works. meanwhile, remove all the bans currently on Tor nodes (and stop with this 500 Tor users are blocked shit) so that anons like me can actually participate without being punished for nobrain jannie boomer shizo shit. PLEASE. (i previously already had a list of 6 attempts, MOSTLY banned as spam or RANGEBANNED as spam or "Nazi schizoid twitter posting" or whatever before my post was EATEN, weird that its mainly all now 500s, but let me try again...) seventh attempt posting this thru Tor: >Your range 36.5.129.0.128.0.92.161.0.0.0.0 was banned from /leftypol/. >Reason: spam >Ban ID: 5efc792d17d6321c14305723 eigth attempt: >500 >TOR users are blocked. (its Tor not TOR fucking boomer goons, read the FAQ: https://support.torproject.org/about/#why-is-it-called-tor ) ninth attempt: >500 >TOR users are blocked. TENTH attempt: >500 >TOR users are blocked. ELEVENTH attempt: >500 >TOR users are blocked. TWELVTH attempt: >500 >TOR users are blocked. THIRTEENTH attempt: >500 >TOR users are blocked. FOURTEENTH attempt: >500 >TOR users are blocked. FIFTEENTH attempt: >500 >TOR users are blocked. SIXTEENTH attempt: >500 >TOR users are blocked. SEVENTEENTH attempt: >500 >TOR users are blocked. EIGTEENTH attempt: >500 >TOR users are blocked. NINETEENTH attempt: >500 >TOR users are blocked. TWENTIETH ATTEMPT: >500 >TOR users are blocked. 21TH ATTEMPT: >You are banned from /leftypol/. >Reason: twitter nazi schizoid posting >Expiration: 07/02/2020 (Thu) 06:10:58 >Ban ID: 5efc28f217d6321c142fc19a 22ND ATTEMPT: >500 >TOR users are blocked. 23RD ATTEMPT: >500 >TOR users are blocked. 24TH ATTEMPT: >500 >TOR users are blocked. 25TH ATTEMPT!: >Your range 42.3.230.0.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0 was banned from /leftypol/. >Reason: spam >Ban ID: 5efc701a17d6321c143045df 26TH ATTEMPT!: >500 >TOR users are blocked. 27TH ATTEMPT!: >500 >TOR users are blocked. 28TH ATTEMPT!: >500 >TOR users are blocked. 29TH ATTEMPT!: >500 >TOR users are blocked. 30TH ATTEMPT!: >500 >TOR users are blocked. 31ST FUCKING ATTEMPT!: >500 >TOR users are blocked. 32ND FUCKING ATTEMPT!: >Your range 36.5.129.0.128.0.92.161.0.0.0.0 was banned from /leftypol/. >Reason: spam >Ban ID: 5efc792d17d6321c14305723 33RD FUCKING ATTEMPT!: >Your range 36.5.129.0.128.0.92.161.0.0.0.0 was banned from /leftypol/. >Reason: spam >Ban ID: 5efc792d17d6321c14305723 34TH FUCKING ATTEMPT!: >500 >TOR users are blocked. 35TH FUCKING ATTEMPT!!: >Your range 36.5.129.0.128.0.92.161.0.0.0.0 was banned from /leftypol/. >Reason: spam >Ban ID: 5efc792d17d6321c14305723 36TH FUCKING ATTEMPT!!: >Your range 36.5.129.0.128.0.92.161.0.0.0.0 was banned from /leftypol/. >Reason: spam >Ban ID: 5efc792d17d6321c14305723 37TH FUCKING ATTEMPT!!: >500 >TOR users are blocked. >38TH FUCKING ATTEMPT!!: >Your range 36.5.129.0.128.0.92.161.0.0.0.0 was banned from /leftypol/. >Reason: spam >Ban ID: 5efc792d17d6321c14305723

>>5068 THIS!!!! i literally cannot post on /leftypol/ anymore, this has never happened before, i used to be able to post with only requesting a new circuit maybe 30 or 50% of the time (and even that is crazy and should stop)

>>5070 >TOR users are blocked. Anon, can you confirm whether this comes from cloudfare or bunkerchan?

>>5068 Tor users cannot post images so don't even bother trying. Why are you using tor anyway? If your life is in danger because of leftism then posting on leftypol is the least of your worries and you're just larping.

>>5073 >Tor users cannot post images so don't even bother trying. 1. Tor users can post images. I use Tor, I post images. 2. I'm not talking about posting images, I'm talking about not being able to post anything, even a simple text-only post, because whole Tor network has just been permabanned. >Why are you using tor anyway? If your life is in danger because of leftism then posting on leftypol is the least of your worries and you're just larping. Mass surveillance doesn't work like that. Police won't come get you but your bank won't give you that loan you need and you'll pay higher insurance rates because algorithms give you a higher risk-score. It has nothing to do with your politics or ideology, which are just more data points for algorithms. If you think social credit scoring is limited to China or originates from there then you've been bamboozled by Western propaganda. >>5072 It comes from bunkerchan, there's no CloudFlare's "ATTENTION RETARD" pages or anything like that. But in one of the past instances of accidental Tor bans a mod or dev said something about bunkerchan's backend using CloudFaggotry's tools to issue IP bans, so maybe mods don't even know what exactly CF bans when mods issue bans. I wouldn't be surprised if CF's ultra-smart system saw a couple of recent bans being related to Tor exit nodes and decided to simply ban the whole network the next time a mod wanted to ban some spammer using Tor.

>>5072 idk but the Tor 500 message is in bunkerchan format, not a cloudflare page >>5073 lol i post images all the damn time, watch me post one right now. the tor image block doesnt work (and shouldnt anyway, dont block image uploads on tor, handle illegal content differently) see what the schizo black flag anon in the leftypol moderation thread is saying. they basically get it. i dont need an excuse to be private, anonymous & secure.

>>5074 cloudflare is literally a glowie mass surveillance tool to harvest all the data here anyway and its absolutely crazy that its even used here, there is no excuse for doing so READ THIS EVERYONE: https://codeberg.org/crimeflare/cloudflare-tor/

>>5075 Are you getting 500 from the entire site or just /leftypol/?

>>5075 And has the 500 error problem gotten worse recently?

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>>5078 not sure about all the other boards, but im getting it here too, just not anywhere near as frequently (though it still takes multiple circuits, maybe no more than 7, sometimes to post), tho i only just started posting on this board as of this thread. blocked attempts posting this reply: 1 (all 500 tor blocks) >>5079 on /leftypol/? absolutely. on here or other boards? dont know inb4 hand grinding intensifies and all i confirmed is that the tweaks are blocking more tor nodes which is the intent =(

>>5078 It's only on /leftypol/, see image for how it looks like. I'm posting this right now via Tor, other boards also work.

>>5086 >shield is empty my buddy you need to fix that shit asap, set it to the highest/safest security setting, bunkerchan works just fine without scripts surprisingly, it just doesnt have the same interactivity or the svg icons and doesnt save your flag and stuff (even though that could in principle be done with cookies). (got a "500 Your ip was recognized as a known spammer." trying to post this)

>>5077 Because we don't want to get DDOSed maybe?

>>5077 It's good to reread that from time to time because you quickly forget how bad it actually is, combined with the fact that they can do this without any protest. Not that you can do anything about it since CF is now almost everywhere, even here.

>>5087 I change the security level based on the website I'm visiting. I trust bunkerchan devs, and the website doesn't load any 3rd party scripts or media either. The problem with no-JS on bunkerchan is that it's a pain to see who's replying to whom. And for some weird reason the reply links are generated client-side via JS.

>>5074 >Tor users can post images. I use Tor, I post images. You shouldn't be able to. It just goes to show how broken lynxchan or the settings which only space can change are.

>>5074 >CloudFaggotry's tools to issue IP bans Doesn't happen We just ban IP within the board software itself it had nothing to do with cloudflare. The reason we ask is because there might be some configuration wrong in cloudflare that bans you automatically instead of it being in the server.

>>5075 >and shouldnt anyway, dont block image uploads on tor, handle illegal content differently Lol no go run your own child porn site if you want that shit to be up on the front-page every other day.

>>5088 is that actually a present threat or is it just assumed to be? because thats how gangsters like cloudflare keep you under their control and within their perview. >>5089 use tor, avoid cloudflare sites where possible, do not connect to cloudflare sites, use internet archive to view cloudflared pages, contact cloudflared sites and make an appeal to stop using it, always e2ee where possible/feasible, find alternatives to surveillance platforms (invidious>youtube, nitter>twitter (mastadon>twitter), bibliogram>instagram, etc.) >>5090 its not about trusting bunkerchan devs, but about trusting anyone who has access to the server and can modify its scripts. that doesnt have to be someone the bunkerchan devs know is doing it, especially if it is an APT cracking in to inject malicious code. remember: this whole website is being completely manipulated by cloudflare, which decrypts all connections as a mitm and can inject literally anything into the page, controlling what you see (thats how they inject the CFID cookies and email-protection javascript). all it takes is a gag order at cloudflare (a us company) to get it to inject malicious javascript into this website to bug everyone's computer here. that's it, game over, hope you got nothing valuable on your computer to exfiltrate and hope you got a drill to destroy your hard drive, cpu, and gpu. the point of the improved security is not about simple trust, but about protecting you even in the event of trust. unless you are actively using the scripts, it is better to block them. anyway, you can just unblock the scripts using noscript, the shield is global and affects your entire browser. there is no excuse to keep the shield empty, it is basically never even needed to be set below half. yes, it makes no sense why the page generates the reply lists client-side with javascript rather than statically embed them in the page using server-side scripting. and yes following replies can be a pain. how i do it: click on "No." in post to anchor your place in the thread, click on reply link to follow to reply, read, go back a page/hit backspace, then press enter to return to old anchor. remember the last four digits of posts. copy and paste post numbers when replying. its all manual and a hassle, but at least i dont use javascript :^)

>>5093 kill urself fed, the way to solve cp posting is easy: use picture scanning software to block/mark for approval uploaded images which trigger nudity/porn filters, and/or suspend media or user-generated content to RAM in a tmpfs, and/or full-disk encrypt the server drives. that simple. anyone can post cp by simply running Tor->proxy or Tor->VPN to avoid Tor node bans. anyway you are clearly new to the dark web if you seriously think cp is hard to find and that this board has anything to do with it. the days of using clearnet chans to distribute cp have been over for years, thank god, since that means the worry of cp posting on chans is much smaller now.

>>5094 also: so while you may trust bunkerchan devs, do you trust CLOUDFLARE? because it also is injecting scripts right now, which is why the fake email ([email protected]) I just put in the email field is being "protected" by cloudlfare. also, why even trust the scripts anyway? you cant be sure there arent any that arent part of lynxchan / that are server-side hacks, and they arent freely licensed and open-source afaik so you dont actually know what they do.

>>5096 (the reason why this is the case btw is because cloudflare embeds scripts as first-party ones, which is why it doesnt show up on noscript and why you cannot trust even selective script blocking software like noscript to protect you from unwanted scripts)

I know this will be controversial, but everything would be easier for all sides (except spammers) if bunkerchan required registering an account to post, as long as the following is the case: - there is no usernames, you register and log-in with your email, which can be a temp mail like guerrilla - posting works the same as before, without any identifiers - server database ties only your last N posts to your account, bare minimum for mods to do their job - account is activated with a delay (e.g. 1 hour), which is more effective against spammers AFAIK mods already can see your post history based on IP, so this is not a huge compromise, other than driving away impatient newcomers who want to post immediately instead of lurking.

>>5074 >Tor users can post images. I use Tor, I post images WTF mods/lynxchan. Not even 8chan allowed that. Now mods have blocked TOR altogether: https://bunkerchan.xyz/leftypol/res/659377.html I wish you had blocked images and maybe also links from TOR posters instead of a full ban (though I'm no mod and don't know how bad it really was). >>5098 Requiring accounts to post anything at all would be a really weird change and totally change the feel and culture here I think. I wouldn't think of this place as a chan anymore. Don't restrict usability more than you have to. If you want that hurdle only to minimize posting illegal pictures, it makes more sense to require account usage only for posting pictures. (Non-registered users could still be allowed to upload posts with pictures, with the post text being displayed together with a placeholder until mod approval.)

GOD FUCKING DAMN IT MY LONG POST WAS EATEN AGAIN. THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE. I SHOULDNT HAVE TO SAVE MY POSTS IN A TEXT FILE OUT OF PARANOIA THAT IT MIGHT BE LOST IN SUBMISSION. FUCKING DAMN IT. >>5098 blocking links makes no sense and will only make conversation harder because it can easily be evaded and will be a hassle for any genuine linking. if anything needs to change with linking it is the fact that an HTML <META> tag to derefer all links is still not being used and serves as a tracking/privacy risk. its shit like this that makes me think literally no one running the site knows how to code anything, not even HTML, and just runs the lynxchan spaghetti code without modification. im avidly against blocking images because as we all know, images have an important function in imageboards in providing ways of reacting to posts and aesthetically improving long posts by complementing the theme or identifying the anon. removing that basically demotes tor users to being second class participants. also it means i cant upload pdfs of theory anymore and thats no good. i again recommend what the schizonihilist anon in the leftypol moderation feedback thread recommended, to suspend all media to RAM and moderate it in a back channel where vols spend a few minutes checking and bulk approving the media so it can be written to disk. that way the illegal content can simply be deleted/shredded from RAM and never touch the disk at all, and everyone can still upload images. i agree with how using accounts makes it feel no longer like a chan, tho. using accounts in principle is not necessarily a bad thing however because it can open up opportunities for a new way to use chans even while not sacrificing public anonymity, while still being an improvement over forums. but at that point, why even keep public anonymity? make everyone a tripfag and accept the implications of accounts in full. attempts posting: 2 times post was eaten: 1

also i kno that >>>/leftypol/659377 is referring to me and that is honestly a disgusting conclusion that just killed some of the most thoughtful posters on the whole board, including schizonihilist anon. congratulations, u just made leftypol objectively worse even despite the anon and others suggesting alternatives that didnt resort to that. by the way, the united states IS AN AUTHORITARIAN REGIME and currently surveils everyone and everything in it. for you to honestly believe ANY COUNTRY ON THIS PLANET is not already under complete surveillance and that the surveillance is used to suppress political activity and dissent, then you need to please get a fucking clue already and read the wealth of literature and leaks about NSA/GCHQ/interpol activities, starting with the snowden leaks. great job everyone, you just ended the era of effortposting on leftypol, since mainly the only ones still effortposting on leftypol have been doing so thru tor disgusting.

>>>/leftypol/659762 you are so fucking ignorant its amazing. the us is currently being run by a cryptofascist regime that takes cues from alt-right and NRx sources, it is home to the single largest surveillance organization on the fucking planet that is currently logging all https/tls connections ON THE INTERNET in the utah data center, and has a long history of not only persecuting leftists but literally MASS MURDERING THEM you are absolutely FUCKING INSANE if you think being a leftist in the us or any western power without protecting your identity is safe. even blm protest leaders in ferguson were literally all murdered and framed as suicides, and they werent even radical leftists. to call this larping shows you are maximally coping with your own apathy and antiprivacy liberal dogma and should immediate resign from your position.

>>5101 >GOD FUCKING DAMN IT MY LONG POST WAS EATEN AGAIN. THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE. I SHOULDNT HAVE TO SAVE MY POSTS IN A TEXT FILE OUT OF PARANOIA THAT IT MIGHT BE LOST IN SUBMISSION. FUCKING DAMN IT. I always ctrl+copy what I'm writing to clipboard before posting anything anywhere. I've been burned too many times on too many websites.

also the whole "most spam/bad faith posting is from tor users" is 100% a myth. no proof has ever been given, no evidence has ever been shown, while multiple identifiable effortposters on /leftypol/ all admit to posting thru tor. this is literally a hoax to justify banning tor because you lazy fuckers cant even code past "hello world!", have no interest in solving this problem in a way that supports the users, and are more interested in protecting your delicate sensibilities from seeing unsavory images than you are doing your job in a way that doesnt make users pay the price DO THE RIGHT THING AND QUIT ALREADY.

Since I can't post on /leftypol/, I'll ask here: will Tor be banned across all boards or just /leftypol/? If the latter then I suggest all Tor refugees to take over one of the other boards. Current /roulette/ is basically a fresh new board and has no theme.

>>5107 Tor use is not guaranteed on any boards, if you use a Tor node on a different board it may or may not be banned so post at your own risk for now.

>>5107 tbh /dead/ seems to be both thematically fitting and where many of the effortposting tor posters seem to be "ideologically" coming from. but at this point, consider this the first shot against the torposters. we need to accept that maybe bunkerchan should be treated as dead too.

>>>/leftypol/659919 infosec is not the point of tor you fucking tard, opsec and privsec is. and btw even on public-facing sites infosec can still be practiced, its just not being practiced here. dont use security terms you dont understand, especially when done to defend such a glowie decision as banning tor users >>>/leftypol659959 fed detected, there is ZERO evidence even a MINORITY of nodes are run by CIA/FBI/NSA. anyway this misses the point, the feds want tor to work because they use it themselves for their own covert activities and actively promote it internationally to destabilize countries like iran and china. if tor didnt actually work out of the box by downloading it from the tor project, then it wouldnt be so effective at circumventing censorship internationally. shit like that is clearly glowie and should be banned

>>5109 >a Tor node >not guaranteed >it may or may not be banned WTF does that mean? Will it be based on a random number generator? I'm asking if the whole Tor network will be banned on other boards or not, the way it has just been banned on /leftypol/, which is what we're discussing here. Obviously spammers will be banned on any board, regardless of using a Tor node or not, I'm not talking about that.

>>5111 Well, you might as well use /roulette/ as a /dead/ trial board. But I doubt most Tor posters are ideologically /dead/, IMO it's pretty evenly spread. I'm not denying there's some connection between someone's ideology and their decision to use Tor, but that decision comes also from the personal experiences and just some basic knowledge of how omnipresent surveillance has become these days. I see some tankies complaining about Tor bans as well, for example.

>>5113 seriously, why even ban spammers? it makes ZERO sense like i already said in >>5070. bans only world with static or long-duration IP addresses and a difficulty in changing them. that all goes away with Tor by design. even a one day ban makes no sense when the spammer can just change circuits, tho even that is better than the permarangebans being hamfisted right now >>5114 i agree to a point, tho i have seen an outsized representation of /dead/ (ie post-left nihilist, cryptoanarchist, and syncretic leftcom) perspectives among tor users, which i think is an artifact of shared cultures. its definitely not universal and i dont even think torposters may be majority /dead/ (its a heterogenous bunch), i just think that it is definitely not out of the realm of possibility that torposters are significantly /dead/ (and many probably don't even know /dead/ is around or may not even see themselves as posties, just crypto-anarchists with marxist characteristics). but who knows maybe its just my selection bias. there's always /testing/ btw it seriously got A LOT harder to post here without getting a bunch of 500s, like almost a dozen attempts now, i feel like i shouldnt have even posted if im just serving as the testing ground for exterminating torposters by checking my IPs. make up your minds already, schizo mods, is tor ok or not??

>>>/leftypol/660160 this privacy nihilism is insane and tries to draw a false dichotomy between being a cryptic tech wizard and security grand master, and being engaged with mass movements and regular people. i can do both at the same time and the former actually is what protects my ability to do the latter with a modicum of privacy, security, and anonymity. thinking that the fact we are all on lists is warrant to just not even try is some of the most pathetic, cowardly, cucked antiprivacy liberalism i have ever seen.

>>5116 Seconded

Why is N I G G E R now not allowd?

>>>/leftypol/671767 >>>/leftypol/671779 >>>/leftypol/671767 >>>/leftypol/671779 >>>/leftypol/671767 >>/leftypol/671779

>>5185 >>>/leftypol/671779 so can we have it back now?

the tor ban isn’t stopping the linkolafag, can we just get it back?

>>5207 It has been petitioned. There isn't much we can do except wait. >>5183 There was an edgy retard spamming it on every thread. It's allowed if you can fool the word filter. It's case sensitive.

leftypol is getting spammed by shit threads. are you reatrds sleeping?

>>5208 Yo mods is the report system working?

>>5218 tor test

>>5218 As far as I know yes albeit some users report difficulties sending their reports.

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Ongoing mod votes: Vote : Posts including pictures created by the 'wojak script' shall become a bannable offence. Vote ends 29/07/2020 20:00 UTC Vote: Adopt the following as /leftypol/'s official definition of idpol/party line to be used as a reference material and to litigate bans and so on; "An important part of /leftypol/’s unique character is our opposition to identity politics. We believe that conflicts between genders, races, sexualities, and so on are distractions from the wider class struggle that are intentionally fanned by the ruling class. This does not mean that oppression based on personal characteristics does not exist, but that it should be approached from an egalitarian perspective which is not personally accusatory and does not assign ‘victim’ and ‘oppressor’ groups. The rights of individuals to live according to their own wishes is a fundamental part of leftism." - Vote ends 28/07/20 8pm UTC

>>5713 > Adopt the following as /leftypol/'s official definition of idpol/party line to be used as a reference material and to litigate bans <definition Based

>>5713 This cannot come soon enough.

>>5713 haha why do mods get so triggered by soyjaks? haha almost like you’re soyboys or something haha

>>5713 >The rights of individuals to live according to their own wishes is a fundamental part of leftism. how radlib can you get

would Black Separatism be considered idpol? if so, is Native American and Kurdish separatism like Chiapas and Rojava idpol too?

>>5811 Yes, its just more segregation, Malcolm-X vn broke away from that idea himself.

>>5812 so the Rojava ban is coming back?

>>5813 Stop being obtuse idiot. The Rojava ban existed because people were too autistic to not screech about it like retards and shit up every other thread with their ideological tripe. After struggling with moderating thousands of shitposts a day, Old BO just said fuck it and blanket banned the shit. People still talked about Rojava but only in a concise manner, all this memeing about Rojava is just /leftpol/ butthurt.

>>5816 so is Ethnic Separatism allowed or not?

>>5859 If you're just asking this again, then you need to re-read Marx and Engels.