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Dear Mods - The entire chan is screwed Comrade 10/17/2020 (Sat) 21:42:41 No. 7836
1) Hobby gets less than 1% the traffic that /leftypol/ does 2) The /IG/ thread ALONE has almost 5 times more activety as ALL OF the /hobby/ board. 3) This is not indicative of a lack of interest. A /games/ thread on /leftypol/ gets about 840 times the posts per hour that the most popular thread on /games/ does. It gets more than 10 times the PPH of the activity of all of /games/ over all of time.
jesus christ dude, find a hobby
>>7844 So what, you don't care that the lay-out of the whole web-site is counter-intuitive and probably pushes people away?
>>7846 I hope it pushes you specifically away. The layout of the website is organically formed, and slow threads are islands of peace where people have opportunity to take the time to talk. Since practical considerations don't allow for catalogs big enough to fit slow subjects, these boards are a welcome sight.
>>7847 Please read the OP I SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT THE SLOWER BOARDS SHOULDN'T BE REMOVED I don't know what's difficult about that. Sure there's a slow and peaceful safespace and that's fine. I have no problem with that. My problem is that moderation makes fastpaced non-peaceful posting, which a lot of people like, impossible. I'm not trying to take your board down as I specifically write in the FAQ, but rather I want more kinds of posts to be possible. >The layout of the website is organically formed If the preferences and actualy user-stats are completly ignored, what part of that is "organic"? moving a thread from one board to another decreases participation by 97.8% THIS IS WHAT MOVING A THREAD WILL DO TO IT Now let's the same thread from before, that got moved to /games/, (>>>/games/5260) and look at the posts that were made to after it got moved. The point of reference will be 10/16/2020 1900h to make it a little easier for me. 19:42:37 No. 5282 70957 19:43:15 No. 5284 70995 (38 ) 19:45:53 No. 5285 71153 (158 ) 19:48:06 No. 5286 71286 (133 ) 19:48:14 No. 5287 71294 (8 ) 20:03:45 No. 5292 72225 (931 ) 20:05:57 No. 5293 72357 (132 ) 20:14:46 No. 5294 72886 ( 529 ) 20:25:48 No. 5295 73548 (662 ) 20:30:01 No. 5296 73801 (253) 04:23:40 No. 5308 102220 (28419 ) 15:55:32 No. 5319 143732 (41512 ) 17:52:07 No. 5323 150727 (6995 ) 18:10:54 No. 5325 151854 (1127 ) 20:23:34 No. 5328 159814 (7960 ) Which gives us (38+158+133+8+931+132+529+662+253+28419+41512+6995+1127+7960)/13 = 6835.15 Meaning that we get 1/post per 6835 second meaning a PPH = 0.526 Which means that we have a percentage decease of 100-((0.526/23.626)*100) = 97.8%
>>7848 SOrry, pasted it in wrong. ((23.626-0.526)/ 23.626)*100= 97.8%
>>7846 It's not counter-intuitive for 90% of people. People don't post on other boards, because they're not interested in discussing movies or anime or games enough to actually bother. /IG/ is a terrible example, for reasons stated in prior threads. PPH is unreliable and useless for reasons stated in prior threads. You're not helping. >>7848 Ok, but having generals will do nothing to increase PPH in /hobby/, even if that did matter. The discussion you are looking for is impossible, because every general will just turn into /IGT/ and just be shitposting that goes for 100-200 posts then dies and if not pinned to the top of the board, falls off the catalog. >moving a thread from one board to another decreases participation by 97.8% Mods tend not to move threads until they're not longer active and people REQUEST them to be moved. The Communist Anime Girl thread stayed up for MONTHS on leftypol before mods finally moved it to /anime/ after it was no longer bumping because nobody had anything new to say or post. >1 thread as an example You do realize that this is not accurate, because as we see in catalog, plenty of threads have initial PPH of a dozen posts and then afterwards it drops to 0 for hours, because people lose interest. Sometimes, the threads last a couple hundred posts, but more often they don't and we get things like the German Reunification threads or the leftywiki thread.
>>7851 Please see the "FAQ" section in the OP. Every single red-text below is lifted directly from the OP. >It's not counter-intuitive for 90% of people. People don't post on other boards, because they're not interested in discussing movies or anime or games enough to actually bother. <This is not indicative of a lack of interest. A /games/ thread on /leftypol/ gets about 840 times the posts per hour that the most popular thread on /games/ does. It gets more than 10 times the PPH of the activity of all of /games/ over all of time. This is indicative of a lack of interest in a slow board, not in games >/IG/ is a terrible example, for reasons stated in prior threads. Such as? >PPH is unreliable and useless for reasons stated in prior threads. You're not helping. <For these calulations, we aren't interested in the official PPH. These tend to vary a lot and therefore they will be disregarded. Instead we'll look at the total amount of posts on each board. Thus, assuming a starting date, we can calculate the average PPH over all time. >Ok, but having generals will do nothing to increase PPH in /hobby/, even if that did matter. Isn't the slow tempo within /hobby/ half the point? also, from the OP <Isn't this gonna kill the smaller boards? Only under the assumption that a post in a /games/ general is one that would otherwise have been posted on /games/. The numbers prove this to be untrue. The way that this is proven untrue by the numbers is how many will post on /leftypol/ but won't do so if it's on /games/ as proven in the OP. >Mods tend not to move threads until they're not longer active and people REQUEST them to be moved. If this is true, it wasn't true for the thread that was analysed within the OP. As you can tell, it stayed on /leftypol/ for about 35 minutes and was moved with no requests to do so. The thread is indicated by number in the OP, so if you doubt any of this you can look it up easily. >You do realize that this is not accurate, because as we see in catalog, plenty of threads have initial PPH of a dozen posts and then afterwards it drops to 0 for hours, because people lose interest. The overall calculated life-time PPH on any board that is not /leftypol/ is still less than 2.5 posts per hour, which is lover than a single thread on /leftypol/. Can you produce data that indicates that the board is faster than this? If not, then we're standing in a sort of facts-versus-feelings thing here. I mean, I am willing to analyze more threads if need be, but I had hoped that this would have been enough to get you guys to come to your senses. Will you respect my point of view if I analyze all 300+ posts in that thread? What if I analyze every single thread on that board? >The discussion you are looking for is impossible, because every general will just turn into /IGT/ A lot of people like stuff like that. Post on >>>/games/ if you don't, but post on leftypol /games/-general if you do. What's the issue supposed to be? A general and the board wouldn't be direct competitors.
>>7854 >Such as? If you cannot go back to threads you have already discussed this in, I'm not spoonfeeding you >A /games/ thread on /leftypol/ gets about 840 times the posts per hour <based on a faulty calc OK LOL >we can calculate the average PPH over all time. Yet you ignore that /hobby/ has lost threads to /anime/, /tech/, /edu/ and /games/ and threads get deleted or posts removed. Even so, I already pointed out that given that /hobby/ is a young board this is moronic. >a post in a /games/ general is one that would otherwise have been posted on /games/. The numbers prove this to be untrue. The numbers do not prove this untrue, given that people still have various hobby, games and anime threads in leftypol with posts that include those who refuse to use anime and hobby because it's allowed on leftypol, meaning that because moderation is unenforced, people refuse to use basic rules. >proven in the OP Your OP is based on a single new thread and utterly ignores the bigger threads on /games/ that have consistent daily posts. >it wasn't true for the thread that was analysed within the OP Which is why statistical analyses use dozens or hundreds of samples before making a conclusion accurately. A single thread is cherry picking at BEST > The thread is indicated by number in the OP, so if you doubt any of this you can look it up easily. Given that I posted in that thread, I don't need you telling me this > 2.5 posts per hour, which is lover than a single thread on /leftypol/. Who fucking cares?! What's your point? PPH in leftypol won't rise higher than usual, given that these generals are made in leftypol constantly and die off every time because noone cares. >A lot of people like stuff like that Then just use /IGT/ then FFS >A general and the board wouldn't be direct competitors Except they would, since they're the same topic(s). That's the difference with /IGT/. Garbage though it may be, it doesn't directly compete with hobby or anime and does not deny those boards their users by deflecting them onto leftypol only. We're a small site but we're also isolated from competition outside of our own circle.
>>7859 >If you cannot go back to threads you have already discussed this in, I'm not spoonfeeding you I am not trying to pester you here, I am legitimately in doubt as tho what specific threads you are refering points to. If you could briefly refresh my memory, then I'd be happy to concede this point, but until then, I still believe that /IG/ is a legitimate sample for analysis. >based on a faulty calc >OK LOL Can you demonstrate the error in calculation? I am legitimately interesting in what would have to be changed in order to get a more legitimate result. >yet you ignore that /hobby/ has lost threads to /anime/, /tech/, /edu/ and /games/ I don't think I was aware. Can you tell me how many threads we're talking about here? Then we can adjust the calculations accordingly and get more accurate results. That's in my interest as well, you know. Also, would you be more willing to results that treat treats all smaller boards as just one board? That's about as much in your favour as I could think such calcs could be. >and threads get deleted or posts removed. As far as I can tell this doesn't lower the tally of total posts. A deleted post still counts towards this. Even if this was true, even more stuff is removed from leftypol which has a steady stream of /pol/-raiders. >given that people still have various hobby, games and anime threads in leftypol with posts that include those who refuse to use anime and hobby because it's allowed on leftypol, meaning that because moderation is unenforced, people refuse to use basic rules. Wait, but this only proves that those threads and posts would otherwise have been posted on /hobby/ if you're already assuming that they would otherwise have been posted on hobby. Now intuitively, that makes sense. Intuitively it also makes sense that people who are interested in talking about /games/ would be willing to go on a board called /games/. However, working the numbers, sometimes human behaviour can seem a little weird, but that's just what it is, you know. Therefore, unless we can find some way to demonstrate that banning all gamer-related content on /leftypol/, then we have no reason to assume that people who post about games on /leftypol/ would have done so on /games/ >Your OP is based on a single new thread and utterly ignores the bigger threads on /games/ that have consistent daily posts. My OP has several different threads. It analyzes two different threads on /games/, with a sample of 20 picked at random from the MSG thread which had 300 posts or so. If there is a thread, or alternatively a set of threads that you believe would be more appropriate, please link them and I will post the calculations. >Given that I posted in that thread, I don't need you telling me this What? Just so you know, this thread is not one in which I had a converation. It's just a thread where I harvested the timestamps. I am a little confused as to what your point is here. I know discussing can be arduous, but feel free to just copy-past yourself. >Then just use /IGT/ then FFS That too would be breaking the rules, and is something that can get you banned. Beyond that if /ITG/ was open to EVERYTHING that would probably be too much leniency as well. Everything in moderation. >Except they would, since they're the same topic(s) Point taken, but as you must admit, in very different way. People say they like the slow posting. Others say they dislike slow considerate posting. There people clearly aren't looking to fill the same needs, although their needs revolve around the same topics. I think this is where we disagree the most fundementally. You work from the assumption that the boards compete, but frankly I don't think that's a safe assumption to make, especially considering what happens when you post a thread on games on /leftypol/.
>>7859 Now, don't forget to hand me the data-sets you consider fair-game, because I really genuinely wanna look at that.
No. General threads are fucking cancer and always degenerate into cuckchan-style chatrooms where posts can get deleted within an hour because the thread cycles so fast.
>>7875 And what's bad about that? You can always just go to the slower boards for threads that cycle less fast.
>>7863 I'm too tired to address most of this but >Can you tell me how many threads we're talking about here? Then we can adjust the calculations accordingly and get more accurate results /games/ and /anime/ were created roughly 4 months after /hobby/. All games and anime threads were moved there, and all /tech/ content went back to /tech/ which was revived. This is easily 1/4 of all posts on /hobby/ at the time. Threads like Dragon Ball Z and Naruto h8 thread, the Berserk thread and Jojo's Bizarre adventure as well as Communist Anime Thread were some that I remember being moved to /anime/. /games/ got the 'old vidya' thread, the 'last of us 2' thread the Persona 5 thread, the Freespace thread, the Outer Worlds thread the Disco Elysium thread, the 'leftypol gaming' and 'deus ex' among others. While some of these have shown activity since then. the leftypol gaming thread has remained fairly stagnant with 374 posts from /hobby/. /tech/ recieved the fewest number of posts, mostly made up of dozens of of small threads, rather than a dozen or so medium-sized threads in /anime/ or /games/. I can't tell you the exact numbers because I'm not a mod. >as one board Sure. People who use /hobby/ also tend to use /anime/ and /games/ so go ahead. >lower the tally of total posts But it does lower PPH, unique IPs and the posts in X and Y thread. For example, when some threads were moved to /hobby/ a lot of them had the 'request to move to hobby' posts removed pre-emptively, the same applying to threads moved from /hobby/ to /anime/ or /games/ >>7864 I would, but I'm not a mod, and don't have access to anything outside of some of the public logs, which you can view as well.

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