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How to decide what to read? Comrade 10/17/2020 (Sat) 23:46:34 No. 5014 [Reply] [Last]
What is your process? Do you use reading charts? Do you decide based on Recommendations? Aside from the obvious Leftist ones, which are the good and which are the bad Publishers?
I usually go to used bookstores to find stuff. If online, I use Amazon. It's pretty good for finding related books, even if you decide to not buy from there although I often do.
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/lit/ memes and whatever I hear enough in the zeitgeist of our culture. Like, infinite jest is both a meme but also reverberates through the more thoughtful genx'ers. The western cannon etc. I think material analysis aside there's plenty of great fiction and nonfiction out there that helps one become more cultured and aware, even if it doesn't arise out of leftism.
>>5014 Well when I had to start somewhere it was lists and recs from boards. Like one time I came across a quote from Hesse's Siddhartha on 420ch and ended up reading a bunch of his work. Or I'd visit what I've heard is canon/classic, so I did that and would then see where the text ramifies out to, like contemporaneous or within the same nation (e.g. enjoyed Dostoyevsky, went on to Tolstoy and Gogol). It's much easier to decide where to go next when it comes to philosophy and theory.
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>>5017 >Solzhenitsyn He's not even considered a good writer in Russia. No, in fact he's an atrocious writer and his pretentious attempts at inventing his own neologisms, meandering prose with no rhyme or rhythm, and endless exposition dumps with ambitions of a wannabe 20th century Leo Tolstoy constantly fall flat on their face. All the bullshit aside. Don't know what to think of the rest of the list from this.

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/edu/ checkpoint Comrade 08/24/2020 (Mon) 16:25:44 No. 3434 [Reply] [Last]
Hello comrades. I propose a general thread in an attempt to get the /edu/ ball rolling again. Everytime you visit /edu/, post in this thread. Tell us about what you're thinking about, what you're reading, an interesting thing you have learned today, anything! Just be sure to pop in and say hi.
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I'm investigating about Object Oriented Ontology. The name has semblance to a programming concept which is pure neoliberalism and makes me want to shoot myself. There is still a lot about philosophy that I don't get, it sounds radically different than hegelianism (and materialist/marxist hegelianism), because as I have understood it so far, it ignores the human element in the understanding of reality. An object is never just itself, it exists in relation to a shit ton of things, and these relations are social in nature. The social part is human. It could be animals of course, but the point is that a set of consciousnesses has to create said social relations of objects. Zizek doesn't seem to have too many qualms on this area as far as I've seen, so maybe I'm missing something obvious. And it seems OOO is kantian + heideggerian in origin? Which ignores the advances made by hegel and marx to "unify" the phenomena and neumena.
>>5023 Hmmm, from a youtube comment of a lecture of the star of OOO: >Most of the issues raised by Harman in this lecture were solved long ago by Hegel. It's disturbing how many philosophers can still continue to work in the shadow of Kant. So maybe I'm not that far off the mark. I feel a need to tell everyone IRL about my shitty understanding of Hegel, but nobody seem to give a shit TT_TT
>>5023 >a programming concept which is pure neoliberalism and makes me want to shoot myself How many layers of ideology are you on right now?
>>5023 I don't think OOO is kantian or heideggerian explicitly. Maybe just on the most vague levels. Would like it if someone else could clarify.
Rafiq thread was excellent. My collection of his compilation of posts grows and I am very happy with the discussion there.

Pls need help Cinoscraft 03/28/2020 (Sat) 12:19:43 No. 69 [Reply] [Last]
Please guy You can recommended book of history of africa ? in pdf format of course Pls... in spanish much better
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>>69 There is a nice book on the country of Burkina Faso (from independence to after the 2014 revolt) called «Burkina Faso: A History of Power, Protest and Revolution» by Ernest Harsch, really good read.
"Libgen" es la mejor página para conseguir libros digitales y gratuitos. Algunos archivos podrían no subirse aquí por estar muy pesados, busca allí por tu cuenta.
>>5020 Basado
Para una historia semi-biografica de Sankara especificamente, el libro de Ludo Martens es muy bien y creo que hay una traducción en castellano.

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Rafiq/Ecology Discussion moo 07/20/2020 (Mon) 22:46:11 No. 2532 [Reply] [Last]
So some of you may have read the quite popular pdf where Rafiq dunks on eco fetishism, in that thread he references a previous thread where he had spent a lot of time focusing in on eco-fetishism, however this thread has been lost from Revleft. It's available on internet archives but to preserve it I've made this in the style of the previous popular pdf. Hope you guys enjoy! This thread could serve to discuss this work if anyone ever dedicates the time to read it, or we could debate the place of ecology in modern day Marxism. To provoke discussion: does nature have any value outside how it immediately serves human interests?
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Nice work keeping the thread alive, will post some responses when less busy
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>>4333 >Countered all the time Maybe, with varying quality. In these 2 big ecology posts there is not nearly enough effort to counter his points for what they are. The problem is that these people don't actually understand what he's saying, not because he is a genius, or because they can't handle it, but because they don't try very hard. >>4334 Coke and nature are the same in the fact that they give a number of people pleasure. This makes no bearing on whether or not we should take it into the communist future. >Science says we can't live without nature Does it? It does it say we need oxygen to breath (a biological process that happens independent of the human thinking process)? >>4339 This is a very very poor reading of that paragraph. He is not saying humans don't feel any emotions and therefore should give up 'feeling' for communism or some stupid shit. He's in fact saying the exact opposite! He's saying 'so-called' emotions (i.e. 'natural' emotions in this context) don't exist >a genuine human 'emotion' is that IT CANNOT be reduced to anything natural, because it shakes the foundation of any and all kinds of representations of the natural world in the first place, it SHAKES the very foundations of the ethical imperative and injunction to reduce it to something natural >I can't read therefore everyone else is a pseud Nope sorry >>4340 >Neolithic revolution destroyed people's help

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>>4342 <"So yes, the 'Earth' will have to be taken into account if for the simple reason of keeping those services stable until they can (can they?) be replaced by artificial means." >The answer is, yes, they can be. Other than that, I generally agree, but to even pursue this requires a recognition that there is no mystique, no emotional, ideological or superstitious investment in what we call those "natural processes" - we must purely approach them from the standpoint of practicality, and convenience. Soberly, of course. >A science is the opium He doesn't really refer to ecology as the science of what plants grow well with other plants. He means the ideology of it. To be honest ecology in the scientific sense can just be referred to as biology. However I agree it is a poor word choice, but if you know 'ecologists' or people invested in the 'ecology' movement you know how absolutely drowned in anti-scientific mysticism they are. >Utopian thinking that isn't based in what people want Why do people want things? Obviously because of the ideology of the society. This is a nothing argument. People don't 'want' communism right now. Shall we give up? >He rejects knowledge about the environment Again, no where does he deny any facts of environmental science. We know why tsunamis form, this has no baring on whether or not we should try and stop them. Idiots would claim that we shouldn't try and stop them because that would be 'interfering with nature'. As communists that's exactly what we do, we destroy the current 'nature' of things. Should I also stop living in a house because the house 'gets in the way' of the oh so natural wind? Nature has no consciousness, has no agency, it doesn't care whether it exists or doesn't. To say otherwise is by definition mysticism. >Anyways yes anyone who is okay with exploiting and destroying all nature So how much nature are you okay with destroying then? Just enough so that the western world can develop, but not enough so that the whole world can live pleasant lives? >Rafiq is pretty explicit that anything that could die to serve Humanity SHOULD die Why not? >Muh exploitation

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>>4364 >Only libs think like this That's only the majority of the western world... no need to critique that... >ONLY libs This thread is extremely clear in disproving this fact. You may not literally kneel every night and pray for nature, but it is still your God. It is the Other that you dare not disobey. >if it happens at the expense of the old, then really i dont trust it. You are scared of going against nature, even though it is all we have done throughout human history. The mere existence of humanity goes against nature. The idea of a communist society is AGAINST NATURE. What you're saying doesn't come from a place of critical thinking, and what you call 'science' it comes from a place of deep ideology. You are just inventing this random utopian society in your head like it is in anyway possible. >No you can't be cold to nature! >You must respect other 'creatures'! >NOOO DONT MOVE THAT ROCK MOTHER NATURE PUT IT THERE Only libs believe in this shit? You're a lib then, or a deep ecologist (I like how you say 'super deep eco', as if deep eco isn't fucking moronic and reactionary in itself by very definition). We can't go back to monke. You think the majority of people are going to follow you to your shitty little commune where you all 'respect' nature and braid eachothers hair? Where you gonna get your health care then? Are you going to have plumbing? What central system are you connecting this plumbing too? If not, you're going to need the dreaded TECHNOLOGY to collect water. Or even more advanced technology to synthesize water when mother nature says >'no rain this year!' >yes dear...

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>>5043 oof

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studying mysticism/esotericism vs studying cosmology,physics and maths Anonymous 10/12/2020 (Mon) 17:54:42 No. 4959 [Reply] [Last]
I'm a celibate man(thus have high brain power)and i want to find the ultimate truth to life. I have limited time and two options: >stuyding esotericism,magick,mystic treatises and meditation techniques,the vedas,medieval books etc OR >cosmology,neurology,biology,history of life on earth,maths,etc Which should I devote my time to?
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>>4959 study logic and scientific critique, then post-critical science shit, learn meditation but as a tool to make your mind sharper thats all, it will give you no knowledge (Except about ... meditation), and then get into whatever the fuck u want, u should be insulated from wasting too much time on obvious bullshit if u start out by learning how to think and learn properly. for "truth of life" tho, read philosophy ffs, all the esoteric stuff is only really appealing to people with inflated egos because you can read whatever you want into it and feel like a genius and like ur learning hidden knowledge. Philosophy (good philosophy...) does the same shit that (honest) mystics and religious figures tried to do, but in more plain language for the modern world
>>4996 Start with the Africans.
Unironically (whether or not that's in the spirit of this thread) every human should know a lot about a little and a little about a lot. So pick what you want to be an expert in, and read/discuss/investigate deeply in that, but also acquaint yourself with what we've learned more broadly and bring a bunch of different perspectives to bear on what you know best.
Why not both?
>>4959 One gets you cred on the most mid-wit level boards on 4chan while the other can net you a job, and an actual understanding, albeit still probably reductionist, understanding of the world.

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Comrade 10/21/2020 (Wed) 00:54:07 No. 5044 [Reply] [Last]
Any historical books similar to this?
>>5044 Generally the go to leftist history books that are thrown around are: >The Age of Revolution - Eric J. Hobsbawm >Blackshirts and Reds - Michael Parenti >Liberalism: A Counter-History - Domenico Losurdo And of course be sure to read "The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte" since it's a classic

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Comrade 05/18/2020 (Mon) 19:52:02 No. 1687 [Reply] [Last]
What is morality to you? Do you think at the end of your life you will be judged by a god for your actions?
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>>2735 While that is an objective decision, it is made by relying on subjective values: >Pro: They die How do I decide that they must die? Most likely because they did something to offend me, however what it was, and how I decide that it was enough for murder, is down to my moral values. >Jail = Impossible approach to revolution Why is revolution objectively good? A porky wouldn't want to do it. A libertarian true believer would find the authoritarianism needed for it abhorrent and so on. It is, again, a moral question. >Don't stab them unless it's a justifiable motive Exactly. So how do you justify it? You can only be objective about it after knowing what it is you want to achieve, which is a purely value-based question. Let me try to quickly attack some counter arguments I've heard before: <But morality is an ideological construct by the superstructure, and is mostly determined by material conditions So? It still exists, and you still can't make any decisions without it. <Something something maximize entropy It is still a moral statement. You want to maximize it as you believe it is a must for there to be existence, however believing that there should be an existence is a subjective view. People like gnostics and anti-natalists only prove that you can take an opposite stance, no more rational or irrational than yours. <Universal values I doubt such really exist, and also they would still be values against which, theoretically, you could take an opposed stance.
GOD WILL JUDGE ME AS RIGHTEOUS I AM THE HERO
>>1687 I would pay money for this image to be painted over to have a bunker in it instead of a house.
There is something paradoxical about the oft repeated view from philosophers that the universe is meaningless while humans want to find meaning in life. It's more like the universe is full of meaning for us and we are helpless to escape it even in the case we want to. We fundamentally can't escape the fact that some things make us happy and some things make us suffer, which itself brings a kind of meaning to life. Also there seems to be a surplus of meaning where things take on more meaning than just their apparent consequences for our simple pleasure or pain. People find more happiness in cooking than simply the pleasure of the food they eventually eat. This is true generally of labour; you get a flow and joy from building a desk that can't be reduced to the utility of using the desk. Heroic actions take on more meaning than the benefits they actually provide, and so on. This surplus meaning might be considered the sublime. This is why utilitarianism is flawed, or at least would involve much more complicated 'computations' than might first appear. Morality is a natural consequence of this surplus of meaning. Children have a strong sense of fairness and want to share candy that are unequally distributed for example. The point is not that there will be some practical problem from the unequal distribution (no child will starve because of not having a few sweets) but the justice of the situation. Humans naturally have concepts of justice and so on which are the foundation of morality. There can be different conceptions of morality depending on the society that one lives in, and it is illuminating to challenge a certain morality sometimes, but the existence of morality is pretty much inherent in humans. Trying to get people to 'awaken from the illusion of morality' altogether is autistic and not helpful. To be honest, the impossibility of the universe existing, being coherent, and strange beings like us existing and leading lives full of the peculiar meanings of human life, suggest to me the existence of God or some kind of judgement, but of course no one truly knows this.
>>2907 What do you mean with impossibbility in the last paragraph? Is it poetic language or do you mean highly improbable?

history of the world Historian 02/29/2020 (Sat) 11:43:12 No. 296 [Reply] [Last]
What does /roulette/ think of the markovian view of marxist/althusserian historical materialism presented by the immortal scientist in his review of althusser's philosopher of the encounter, as well as in his book "how the world works".
I thought that picture was a joke? Please don't tell me there are people who truly believe such nonsense.
>>297 read the first pdf attached
in order to make the state machine materialist, it would need to have a copy of that diagram for all combinations of relevant material conditions (plus connecting arrows). While it is technically correct, I don't think it is particularly useful.
>>5021 Obviously this is insufficient as a COMPLETE model, but it's clearly not trying to be. It's expressing the idea that conditions potentially ripe for capitalism more frequently arise than actually do transition to it, which seems largely accurate to me - though of course (1) you could no doubt as mentioned get greater predictive accuracy by adding additional variables and (2) this leaves unexplained what constitutes the different state and why transitions between them should occur. It's not like Marxists have neglected these questions, though, so I think it's worth seeing if FSM-type models can produce anything useful if you noodle around with them.
>>5039 They can't, this is some horoscope level bullshit.

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Comrade 10/20/2020 (Tue) 16:10:28 No. 5037 [Reply] [Last]
Does anybody have a EPUB or a pdf(although a epub is preferred) of pic related. On a Zer0books binge at the moment

/read/ing - Something few people seem to do Comrade 10/12/2020 (Mon) 15:26:02 No. 4956 [Reply] [Last]
Hello and welcome comrades!, this is a reading club thread, we will be reading and discussing Marxist theory books. We've already started and completed reading and discussing The Communist Manifesto and The Principles of Communism yesterday. Anyone can join the reading club, if you want to read and understand theory and you're serious about it then don't be afraid to join! we're still reading the basics so you don't have to be intimidated. Our current reading list: https://leftyread.neocities.org/ /leftytrash/ matrix community link: https://matrix.to/#/+leftytrash:matrix.org /read/ matrix room link: https://matrix.to/#/#leftyread:matrix.org Also we are closely related to the /GET/ Reading group who helped us make our own reading group: >>>/GET/86343
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>>4987 what about pdfs?
>>4990 Most everything I read is available in epub (classic theory, modern books). For articles and rare pdfs I just read on my laptop
>>4956 I have to click on the third link on Sunday right?
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>>5007 You can click on the link anytime but yes, Sunday is when we have the reading club meeting.
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>>4956 Critique of the Gotha Programme Completed! We've made a summary that can be found at https://leftyread.neocities.org/gotha.html

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