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Historian 02/29/2020 (Sat) 10:14:50 No. 212 [Reply] [Last]
Can anyone tell me how belgium managed to get the congo. How did britain and France even allowed this to happen?
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>>214 I could be wrong about this but wasn't the Congo considered so hostile to (Western) life that it was thought to be basically worthless? Like, it was basically thought to be one big "here be dragons" zone.
>>214 Remember that accurate mapping of the continent was not finished at the time and European powers still used rather archaic methods to determine where borders were One infamous example was when during a debate over where Mozambique ended and Tanzania began the Portuguese diplomat just slapped his hand down on the table and said everything west of his thumb was Tanzania and everything East Mozambique (or something else to that effect) The offical treaty saying where Leopold Congo began and ended was about as equally weird. It basically said everything between Congo’s two main rivers belonged to Belgium this was before they likely knew that the “Two main rivers” basically encircled the entire Congo basin Also Leopold did wage a minor war against the Sultan of Zanzibar over whether Eastern Congo belonged to his rubber plantation or to the Sultans slave traders >>215 It was considered incredibly dangerous yes. But people did know about the pure amount of raw / Rare materials that could be found inside The majority of the Belgium settlements in this period snaked along the river usually with creative names like “#1-#2-#3” with the idea that they would harvest material and send it up river to the main port where it could then be shipped to Belgium
>>214 Belgian Congo was a buffer state between a bunch of other colonial Empires. France wouldn't be happy with Germany getting the Congo and connecting Cameroon with East Africa, and both countries didn't want Britain to get it, but all three Empires could live with Belgium getting it and checking their rivals' expansion.
It's actually because the Congo was technically a private venture originally, Leopold just had a bunch of bankers and merchants buy up the land and Leopold himself owned it personally not Belgium, Belgium only took it over technically after an American newspaper blew the whistle on the place. The reason why Britain and France let him get away with it is because basic ancap logic "You can't declare war on me, that's in violation of the NAP since this is my land, not the states, statist"
Because both England and France wanted it but also didn't want either to have it so they decided to give it to Leopold on the condition that it be his private property and not of belgium and that he continues producing and selling rubber to both.

KPAM Thread Historian 03/01/2020 (Sun) 17:31:36 No. 263 [Reply] [Last]
What are your thoughts on the Korean People’s Association in Manchuria, an anarchist zone in Manchuria
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>>270 The KPAM Had entirely ceased to exist by 1949
>>271 Oh I'm sorry, I erroneously followed the link here >>264 An added source of confusion is that the flags of both experiments were identical: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_People%27s_Association_in_Manchuria (1929–1931) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Republic_of_Korea (1945–1946)
>>270 The KPAM in Shinmin region was defeated by pro-KMT warlord general Zhang Xueliang and the Japanese imperialists in 1931. >>272 >the flags of both experiments were identical Only according to recent English Wikipedia edits from 2019. Also the PRK and its committees were made up of communists, socdems, nationalists etc. and not anarchists. They were supported by the Soviets in the north, while the US forces dismantled them in the south and established the United States Army Military Government in Korea.
>In China there was a booming nationalist movement, quite anti-communist in nature, headed by the Guomindang, in which some anarchists participated, although downplaying their anarchism, under constant threat of being purged and concentrating in relatively safe havens such as Quanzhou. While fully immersed in radical circles in China, most Korean anarchists systematically opted to side with anti-communist nationalists. There may have been a number of reasons for this. The nationalist discourse would have been closer to their own longing for national liberation. They may have seen better opportunities to advance their autonomous social projects with them as opposed to a communist movement which they saw largely controlled by the Soviet Union. >Undoubtedly, the fact that Korean anarchism developed in the 1920s, when globally the anarchist movement started a long decline (which also affected the anarchist movements in China and Japan) and the communist parties, led by the Soviet revolutionary example were gaining momentum and filled the vacuum left by anarchism’s retreat, played a significant role in the hostility of many an anarchist against working with communists. This was intensified as news of the suppression of anarchists in Soviet Russia reached Korean anarchists, an experience they learned from a Russian anarchist in China, Vasily Eroshenko, who paradoxically would later in the decade return to Russia and work with Communist Party cultural initiatives. In Manchuria there was a tense alliance with nationalists and active hostility against the communist guerrillas, which lasted until the Japanese invasion of 1931. >But there were also other reasons, more practical in nature, for the Korean anarchists’ rejection of communists. In the case of anarchists in China, particularly since the bloody purge of communists led by the Guomindang after the Shanghai strike of 1927, they had to distance themselves from communists (anarchists would be labelled as “cousins” of communists by conservative nationalists) and thus downplay important aspects of the universal anarchist credo, such as its insistence in revolutionary means, class struggle, and the struggle against the State. In this process, Kropotkin’s ideas of mutual aid, of combining manual and intellectual labour, and his view of an anarchist modernity in which industrialisation would take place in harmony with the development of the countryside, offered a vision which could appeal to the nationalist aspirations of their constituency without risking exposing dangerous ‘communist’ overtones. >The Japanese progressive invasion of China since 1931, which started in Manchuria, represented a big challenge but also a big opportunity for Korean anarchists. On the one hand, they lost a safe haven they’ve had for nearly a decade, free of the Japanese repressive State, but also it turned the national liberation question into a political imperative. Whatever goals Korean anarchists had on their top priorities, none were possible under Japanese colonialism and the liberation of Korea was a necessary precondition for any of them. The military triumph of China over Japan too became then a precondition for the liberation of Korea, for the conditions to lay out the foundations of the new society. With this in mind, they started in 1936 to discuss ideas for a united national front with all sectors opposing Japanese colonialism. In 1937, the outbreak of the Sino-Japanese war and the second united front between the Guomindang and the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), paved the way for Koreans to emulate this unity. If Chinese nationalists and communists could cooperate, why not Koreans? Furthermore, the experience of national fronts in other countries threatened by fascism was also followed attentively by anarchists. >Anarchists became engaged in armed struggle and terror attacks directed against collaborators and Japanese military and civilian officers in the 1930s. Eventually, in 1941, after some years of a joint experience with other independence and socialist groups -the Korean communists, who were then affiliated to the CCP conspicuously absent-, prominent anarchists joined the rather conservative nationalist Korean Provisional Government in China, in the name of the unity of the anti-Japanese forces. Yu Rim, one of the anarchists in the government, had actually met in 1937 and 1938 with Mao Zedong and the Chinese Communist Party with an eye to foster cooperation, but eventually these meetings came to nothing. Anarchists were indeed divided in regard to alliances, some leaning more towards working with conservatives, others towards socialists and even communists. Some guerrillas formed by anarchists, despairing at the ineffectiveness and inability (unwillingness?) of both the Guomindang and the Korean Provisional Government to fight the Japanese, ended up going to Yan’an to fight the Japanese with the support of the Chinese Communist Party. These tensions and contradictions in relation to alliances were reflected in the post-1945 trajectories of some of the leading anarchists fighters and activists of this period: some anarchists, such as Yu Ja-Myeong, ended up having prominent roles in the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, others occupied important posts in the South Korean military, such as Bak Giseong, and yet others ended up as activists in South Korea suffering from perennial persecution and hardship, such as Jeong Hwaam (p.148). https://blackrosefed.org/review-korean-anarchism/
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>>274 See page 48 to 55 of the pdf for more information on the Korean anarchists in Manchuria

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/Pandemic/ history Historian 03/02/2020 (Mon) 06:47:43 No. 276 [Reply] [Last]
What Pandemic is Corona similar to? I can't think of any off the bat. I think Corona being high spread, but less lethal kinda makes it kinda unique. Also, post anything you want relating to Pandemics, its effects on shaping human history etc etc.
Well, since the current scientific name is SARS-CoV-2, it implies that there were a similar predecessor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS-CoV-1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS-CoV-2
>>276 it's not bubonic plague levels yet probably because wh*te people learned to shower since then, I think it will be like the swine flu from 2009 at the most https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic I don't really see it getting that bad though, people shower now and with the internet giving everyone easier access to this information it's more likely that people will see a doctor
>>278 >wh*te Back to Reddit.
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>>279 I tried to be nice and say at least now they know how to shower, but that's wrong too
>>280 This post is a prime example of Twitter brainrot.

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Literary and oral history Historian 02/29/2020 (Sat) 16:26:18 No. 293 [Reply] [Last]
>we demand free toilet paper now because we have anuses Has there ever before been such a clear succinct demand for to each according to their needs of a universal human property?
why do you keep spamming this shit book
>>293 You have a hand, don't you?

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