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Comrade 05/22/2020 (Fri) 19:30:01 No. 1741 [Reply] [Last]
Is there any Marxist historians you recommend? >inb4 Grover Furr
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>>1844 I do remember that thread, somebody said they were a student of him for a semester or two
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Ellen Meiksins Wood- The Origin of Capitalism.
>>5029 is it good I've been planning to read it
Jairus Banaji's Theory as History is very, very good; highly recommended if you want to understand the purpose of Marxist historiography in the 21st century.
Franz Mehring

Is "The Poverty of Philosophy" full of slander ahd lies? Comrade 10/05/2020 (Mon) 22:18:04 No. 4896 [Reply] [Last]
https://anarchism.pageabode.com/anarcho/review-poverty-philosophy-karl-marx This article claims that Marx's "Poverty of Philosophy" is just a slanderous book that has nothing to do with Proudhon's real theories. Marx doesn't properly quote Proudhon or openly strawmans him. His claims about Proudhon being bad economist in the begining of the book sound laughable since Proudhon was respected economist in his time. >Comparing Marx’s “reply” to what Proudhon actually wrote, it is hard to take the former seriously. Once the various distortions and inventions are corrected, little remains. Proudhon was right to suggest Marx’s work was “a tissue of crudities, slanders, falsifications, and plagiarism.” (Correspondance [Paris: Lacroix, 1875] II: 267-8) Worse, Marx himself twenty years later embraces in Capital most of the positions he attacks Proudhon for holding in 1847. >The dishonesty of The Poverty of Philosophy has distorted our view of Proudhon’s ideas and the time is long overdue for a revaluation of Proudhon and his contributions to anarchism and the wider socialist movement. This does not mean that Marx does not, occasionally, presents a valid point – most obviously, Proudhon’s opposition to strikes was wrong as subsequent anarchists recognised – it is just that these are frustratingly few in the midst of so much distortion. So, yes, Proudhon’s mutualism – a form of market socialism based on worker-run co-operatives – does need to be critiqued but Marx’s book is simply not that work. are there any counter arguments to this?
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>>4909 You answered your own question. It's worth reading simply to witness a young Marx at his most polemical. I don't think many marxists today have even read it. Perhaps it might be useful update some of his arguments so as to critique the renewed interest in market socialism we've seen over the past, I don't know, 15 years? For example, Gavin Mueller cited it in his critique of what he called "Digital Proudhonism" in a piece he wrote back in 2018: https://www.boundary2.org/2018/07/mueller/ Predictably, someone at Center for a Stateless Society ("A Left Wing Market Anarchist Think Tank") responded: https://c4ss.org/content/51323
>>4910 C4SS's reply basically just repeats what was already attacked in the original article by Mueller (which is a good read btw). All this makes me even more sure that The Poverty of Philosophy is not slander.
There is a lot of value in the book. It features: A clear explanation of the hegelian system The failures of the hegelian system Incredibly entertaining polemic (Marx will literally work a joke into the structure of his argument and hit you with it 2 pages later) Creates a clear refutation of market socialism. It does contain some straw men of M. Proudhon but it's worth the read regardless.
>>4901 First thing he does in the video is talking about "muh dictatorship of proletariat is bad because it is dictatorship and not democracy". It is a retarded lib video, not worth wasting your time even watching.
>>5006 no, he doesn't he says that MLs are communists and as communists they should support direct democracy (at least somewhere in the future) and not to openly support dictatorship which is what Politsturm did in their article. also, he isn't a lib but an anarchist

A very short Introduction Series Comrade 10/17/2020 (Sat) 23:50:18 No. 5015 [Reply] [Last]
(Originally posted on /leftypol/, but I guess it belongs here) Are they good? I personally find them quite reliable for some overview over a certain Topic. They even have Books on Socialism,Communism and Anarchism. My only concern is the publisher, which is Oxford University Press. I can't expect them to work honestly, when it comes to non-Liberal ideologies

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Comrade 05/12/2020 (Tue) 17:53:47 No. 1569 [Reply] [Last]
Do you prefer physical or digital books /edu/?
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>>1569 Physical but cause Coronalol, digital so I can use Sci-hub
>>1569 Digital Though if the apocalypse happens I might regret that
>>1569 physical always.
I can't read online. I print out PDFs sometimes though instead of buying.
Either digital copies or hardcover physical books. Paperbacks are pure degeneracy and counter-revolutionairy ;)

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Historian 03/10/2020 (Tue) 17:18:29 No. 207 [Reply] [Last]
What are your opinions on this book? I'll keep mine to myself for now, I'm genuinely curious to see how it is viewed in leftist circles.
Interesting but oversimplified An ok holiday read
>>207 I remember in 9th and 10th grade history we would always read snippets of the book as our sources. Though it was interesting then.
Baby's first book in revisionism. But its an okay book but very over simplified and doesn't really go too much in depth. The author himself is a classic revisionist historian so keep that in mind.
More Marxist than Marx himself.
There was another thread that popped up about this, and it was fairly decent, so I will copy paste the replies here: --- There are many critiques of this book, it's very controversial, but good read non the less. I think you should read it and then read some critiques. There are often threads on /his/ about it /lit/ and /pol/ also love to hate it. You can find a bunch of reviews and critiques of it with a little bit of googling, so I recommend read it, think about it, and read some critiques. Here: https://www.marxist.com/a-review-of-jared-diamonds-guns-germs-and-steel.htm --- The author himself is not a Marxist, but from what I can gather, the book is a decent layman introduction to the concept of historical materialism and how it can be applied as a lens to assess the comparative development of civilizations. Unfortunately, some of the claims made by the author are backed by research that's more than a bit shoddy, and reactionary critics love to pick on the book for that reason, but it's pretty clear most of their ire stems from the fact that they are uncomfortable with having their racial essentialist worldview attacked so directly. ---

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How to pirate Enclyclopaedia Britannica Comrade 10/17/2020 (Sat) 15:04:26 No. 5005 [Reply] [Last]
I feel the need to read in the online version of Encyclopaedia Britannica, not wikipedia, but the fuckers only allow me to see the first part of the articles without a pls pay wall. Is there a form of researching there being poor? like https://www.britannica.com/technology/history-of-technology

Comrade 05/17/2020 (Sun) 23:02:39 No. 1677 [Reply] [Last]
any good books on the medieval period? yes i have already read the peseant war in germany, no i did not understood what the fuck it was saying
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>>1677 John Hatcher and Mark Bailey Modelling the Middle Ages The Brenner Debate (Specifically 'Agrarian Class Structure and Economic Development in Pre-Industrial Europe') Guy Bois, The Crisis of Feudalism : Economy and Society in Eastern Normandy C1300-1550 Robert Bartlett, The Making of Europe: Conquest, Colonisation and Cultural Change: 950-1350 (Personal fave, the least dry out of all the texts and it gives you a broad picture for you to decide what your interested in) As posted by previous anon, 'The Three Orders' is a must imo. If you have a specific area your interested in that would help as there's a lot going on at the same time, and it becomes tricky to create general histories due to the variety of shit that was going on across europe. Especially since a lot of histories just ignore eastern europe.
Jacques Le Goff
From a more rightist colleague I've heard John Huizinga's "Autumn of the Middle Ages" as THE book I should read. (His 'Homo Ludens' also sounds quite interesting)
Why does a full suit of High Middle Ages chainmail, like with coif, hauberk, mufflers, cuisse, etc. look so fucking good?
A bit specialist, but there are some reading recommendations in this academic syllabus for anyone interested in medieval philosophy and theology: https://itself.blog/2020/10/08/angels-and-demons-syllabus/#more-27219

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Ethiopian elephants Comrade 10/15/2020 (Thu) 03:00:46 No. 4994 [Reply] [Last]
Did the ancient/medieval Ethiopians domesticate the African elephant? In many historical records, the Abyssinians/Aksumites are mentioned to use elephants for military purposes, but were these African elephants or Asian elephants? In modern-day Ethiopia, or in fact anywhere for that matter, there is no sign of domestication of the African elephant. However, African elephants have been extensively used in ancient times for military purposes, for example by the Carthaginians.
thank you for your contribution to this board my friend
>>4994 phroo :DD
>>4994 Those war elephants were probably from a now extinct western subspecies of Asian elephant, or northern subspecies of African forest elephant.
Are elephants comrades?
>>5001 Of course. We shall help them develop their brains and social minds until they are our equals. Like dolphins UPHOLD POSADAS

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Reforms possible post-capitalist society Comrade 08/12/2020 (Wed) 20:50:59 No. 2987 [Reply] [Last]
This thread is for large-scale improvements or even small tweaks in society that are impossible to implement under capitalism. Inspiration for this thread came after reading this https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xgqkyw/copper-destroys-viruses-and-bacteria-why-isnt-it-everywhere >Today, we have insight into why a person handling copper day in and day out would have protection from a bacterial threat: Copper is antimicrobial. It kills bacteria and viruses, sometimes within minutes. In the 19th century, exposure to copper would have been an early version of constantly sanitizing one's hands. >A study from 2015 found that a different coronavirus, human coronavirus 229E, which causes respiratory tract infections, could still infect a human lung cell after five days of being on materials like teflon, ceramic, glass, silicone rubber, and stainless steel. But on copper alloys, the coronavirus was “rapidly inactivated.” >So given how well it could work, for hospital infections and for health more generally, why isn’t copper everywhere? Why isn’t every door knob, every subway rail, every ICU room, made of copper? Why can we easily buy stainless steel water bottles, but not copper? Where are the copper iPhone cases? >There might also be a perception that copper is too expensive, Schmidt said, despite the fact that the numbers indicate it would ultimately save money. One of Keevil and Schmidt's studies from 2015 did the math: The cost of treating an HAI ranges from $28,400 to $33,800 per patient. Installing copper on 10 percent of surfaces cost $52,000 and prevented 14 infections over the course of the 338-day study. If you take the lower end of the HAI treatment cost ($28,400), then those 14 prevented infections saved a total of $397,600, or $1,176 a day. So while the material and reason to use copper for most things are there. The kind of short-term market logic that makes it impossible to do anything about climate change also prevents this move from being made.
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https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1951/economic-problems/ch13.htm > 3. It is necessary, in the third place, to ensure such a cultural advancement of society as will secure for all members of society the all-round development of their physical and mental abilities, so that the members of society may be in a position to receive an education sufficient to enable them to be active agents of social development, and in a position freely to choose their occupations and not be tied all their lives, owing to the existing division of labour, to some one occupation. >What is required for this? >It would be wrong to think that such a substantial advance in the cultural standard of the members of society can be brought about without substantial changes in the present status of labour. For this, it is necessary, first of all, to shorten the working day at least to six, and subsequently to five hours. This is needed in order that the members of society might have the necessary free time to receive an all-round education. It is necessary, further, to introduce universal compulsory polytechnical education, which is requiredin order that the members of society might be able freely to choose their occupations and not be tied to some one occupation all their lives. It is likewise necessary that housing conditions should be radically improved, and that real wages of workers and employees should be at least doubled, if not more, both by means of direct increases of wages and salaries, and, more especially, by further systematic reductions of prices for consumer goods. >These are the basic conditions required to pave the way for the transition to communism. >Only after all these preliminary conditions are satisfied in their entirety may it be hoped that work will be converted in the eyes of the members of society from a nuisance into "life's prime want" (Marx), (8) that "labour will become a pleasure instead of being a burden" (Engels), (9) and that social property will be regarded by all members of society as the sacred and inviolable basis of the existence of society. >Only after all these preliminary conditions have been satisfied in their entirety will it be possible to pass from the socialist formula, "from each according to his ability, to each according to his work," to the communist formula, "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."
Doesn't copper oxidize, effectively having to be replaced every 10-20 years because it's surface wouldn't inactivate viruses anymore?
>>4945 i wonder if you could just sand/scruff the surface??
>>4945 No, read the piece >Another reason copper may have been passed over for steel, plastic, or glass is that it can easily tarnish and requires a lot of cleaning to remain shiny. “But copper is antimicrobial regardless of how grody it looks, if it turns green on you, it still has the ability to kill bacteria and viruses and fungi,” he said.
Whales are one of the best ways to sustainably store carbon away from the environment because they eat a lot and then sink to the bottom of the ocean. Why are whales going extinct? Over-fishing, pollution, lots of reasons >Now we turn to the economic side of the solution. Protecting whales has a cost. Mitigating the many threats to whales involves compensating those causing the threats, a group that includes countries, businesses, and individuals. Ensuring that this approach is practical involves determining whales’ monetary value. https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2019/12/natures-solution-to-climate-change-chami.htm

Historical Development Comrade 10/09/2020 (Fri) 23:44:06 No. 4933 [Reply] [Last]
A thread for sharing and discussing information related to the historical development of humanity. Here's my opening contribution https://youtu.be/wnqS7G3LmMo?t=1619 timestamp is 27 minutes if the link doesn't work(skipping a lot of introduction). I like the presenters maxim of >geography determines social development and social development determines what geography means Of course i'd replace 'geography' with 'material conditions' but that's a small nitpick in an otherwise great presentation. The other nitpick is the absence of the idea of a mode of production. We all know how inefficient capitalism is at its uses of the geography/resources it potentially has at its disposal. The profit motive holds back the total use of geography that would be a huge boon on the level of the guns and boat revolution in the 1400s
This helps. I’m a complete brainlet when it comes to history. Is there like a brief book/video/resource that traces the entire major human historical periods and progression? Like I know some very small basics about middle ages, enlightenment renaissance etc, but I don’t know how they interact and how to piece them together as one piece of development?


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