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📖/read/ing - Something few people seem to do📚️ Comrade 10/12/2020 (Mon) 15:26:02 No. 4956 [Reply] [Last]
Hello and welcome comrades!, this is a reading club thread, we will be reading and discussing Marxist theory books. We've already started and completed reading and discussing The Communist Manifesto and The Principles of Communism yesterday. Anyone can join the reading club, if you want to read and understand theory and you're serious about it then don't be afraid to join! we're still reading the basics so you don't have to be intimidated. Our current reading list: https://leftyread.neocities.org/ /leftytrash/ matrix community link: https://matrix.to/#/+leftytrash:matrix.org /read/ matrix room link: https://matrix.to/#/#leftyread:matrix.org Also we are closely related to the /GET/ Reading group who helped us make our own reading group: >>>/GET/86343
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Discussion on Lenin's "Three Sources and Three Component Parts of Marxism" finished. We'll be doing Engels' "Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State" next week. Ebooks can be found at https://leftyread.neocities.org/library/engels/origin-family.html
>>6007 Where do these discussions take place and are there any write-ups?
>>6013 >Where do these discussions take place Discussions happen on Sundays in our Matrix chatroom, you are welcome to join us. Link to our Matrix community is https://matrix.to/#/+leftytrash:matrix.org , join the /read/ room for the reading group. >are there any write-ups? We occasionally prepare writeups after discussing, though these aren't very detailed or anything, just a few bullet points vaguely describing discussion. The most detailed document we wrote was a summary of Marx's Critique of the Gotha Program. You can find these on our website. Now that you mention it, I think it would be a good idea to come up with more detailed summaries of all discussions. Synthesizing knowledge in this way seems like an important step in learning. I'll bring it up with the group, try to make it into a formal practice. Thank you for the idea.
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Some tips on reading, taking notes and synthesizing knowledge.
>>4985 I got a kindle for libgen stuff, it's much more pleasant than a computer screen or phone screen.

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Rafiq/Ecology Discussion moo 07/20/2020 (Mon) 22:46:11 No. 2532 [Reply] [Last]
So some of you may have read the quite popular pdf where Rafiq dunks on eco fetishism, in that thread he references a previous thread where he had spent a lot of time focusing in on eco-fetishism, however this thread has been lost from Revleft. It's available on internet archives but to preserve it I've made this in the style of the previous popular pdf. Hope you guys enjoy! This thread could serve to discuss this work if anyone ever dedicates the time to read it, or we could debate the place of ecology in modern day Marxism. To provoke discussion: does nature have any value outside how it immediately serves human interests?
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>>5958 you’re dangerously arrogant
>>4225 Forums are not only the superior internet discussion method, but the most superior communication method in general for serious topics.
>>4228 >Kind of shows that you haven't actually taken the time to read his points. I love coke. Does that mean it needs to exist post in a communist future? Communism has nothing to do with these topics. Of course it has to exist. Its the base layer of our existence. Its our soul.
>>5043 >Coke and nature are the same in the fact that they give a number of people pleasure. This makes no bearing on whether or not we should take it into the communist future. You're an idealist and solipsist. You'd happily move us all to brains in vats apparently to avoid surplus labor extraction.
>>5043 >How the fuck do we need living organisms around us to live? Says who? Morons said thousands of years ago you need various things to live, who gives a shit about them now? Absolute biology brainlet kys posting this trash. You have no comprehension of how complex even just human skin microbiome is. Stop shitposting this is supposed to be /edu/ not whatever it is you're doing here.

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Calculus Review General Comrade 11/26/2020 (Thu) 00:59:42 No. 6069 [Reply] [Last]
This is a thread to review/learn calculus. We will all be reading through James Stewart's "Calculus" 4e edition. see: http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=67AF6FA4D6DAB692F81A09B6A2EBCC7B This is inspired by my need to review undergraduate mathematics due to work/school purposes. I'm a bit rusty and I've forgotten a ton of math. We will start by doing problems from his algebra review pdf which is prep for the calc problems.
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>>6070 you can do this bro!!
If you are open to a bit of an unorthodox approach to mathematics (or perhaps a very greek approach is a better way of speaking about it), the many lecture series by Norman WIldberger are good review: https://www.youtube.com/c/njwildberger/playlists?view=1&sort=dd&shelf_id=0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91c5Ti6Ddio&list=PL5A714C94D40392AB
wtf white people have implied to me that Mexicans are dumb savages my entire life but I passed my Calc 2 final with nearly perfect score after having failed Algebra 1 3 times earlier in life I want my fucking money back
Based. I'm a maths grad and am free to help if you reach any impasses.
>stewart's calculus >not keisler's infinitesimal approach take the hyperreal pill

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The beginnings of our new leftypol project Anonymous Board volunteer 05/27/2020 (Wed) 23:20:07 No. 5150 [Reply] [Last]
Hello everyone, we have received the results of our project proposal topic, and I'm delighted to announce that we are teaming up with 'leftypedia' to deliver our planned 'argument/talking point resource' idea. In case you don't know, leftypedia is the current version of the old abandoned 'marxistpedia' which was a project started by leftypol users back in the day, so I think this is sort of like a homecoming in a way. https://leftypedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Anyway, if you have a look at the leftypedia site you might be able to tell that they have a much more formal and 'encyclopedic' tone than what we're planning, just like wikipedia, but the admin is going to create a separate 'category' for our new content that will be called something like 'rhetoric: topic' rather than just 'topic', this will also feature on the frontpage much like the encyclopedic content. As a tenplate, I'd like you to feast your eyes on these pages which someone on leftypedia already made (albeit only on their personal userspace for now). https://leftypedia.org/wiki/User:Anarcho-Bolshevik/compendium I'd like to ask if anyone can come up with a slightly more catchy name for our new section than 'rhetoric', cause that sounds a bit cumbersome to me even though I came up with it, so yeah, open to suggestions. So, since that isn't implemented yet, I'd like you all to try familiarise yourselves with the site for now, maybe take a look at the articles that are already there and improve some of them if you feel able. Unfortunately the site currently has only edit by approval so you will have to wait for any changes you make to be approved, this is because of a persistent spambot problem and I hope that we will be able to work out something to change this to normal editing as on wikipedia and the like, please just bear with it for now. If you have an answer to a 'common question', or you have an effortpost you'd like to archive and save, then please post it in this topic for now so that we can work on it together until we can figure out how to categorise our new section of the site. Thanks for your attention! EDIT: I've now got admin permissions on leftypedia, so I can create pages and approve edits directly. If you want to use the site I recommend you create a user account, which I can then approve once you make a productive edit (to distinguish from spambots), then you won't have to wait for approval anymore and can create articles yourself. Or, just ask me and I can create an article for you if you're desperate to make one as your first edit. Thanks guys, I hope we can make this project cool together!

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Resources on Ecomarxism/Capitalism ecological impact - Last subchapter of black shirts and reds (parenti) https://web.archive.org/web/20070111014358/http://www.greenleft.org.uk/manifesto.shtml (for ecomarxism/ecocapitalism article)
Have you seen this? MLs created their own "ProleWiki" >>>/leftypol/1152221
>>6059 Probably because we're so inactive.
>>6063 man we trying

Comrade 11/27/2020 (Fri) 05:30:21 No. 6091 [Reply] [Last]
>The author voices concern that the philosophers Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels failed to incorporate women's oppression into their critiques of capitalism. What is "The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State" for $300, Trebek?
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>>6101 obligatory dumbass tankie post
>>6102 Not him but what's so dumb about it? And I hope, that you know Zetkin and Kollontai are not Tankies
>>6102 >Hurr ur tankie 1) That's not an insult except in the minds of childish thorylet ankids and their infantile fantasies 2) There is no argument. Feminism is a goal, not a method, and to practice it is to practice identity politics and therefore, go against Socialism 3) The practical results of the USSR demonstrate success. In the USA the Suffragettes barely achieved anything other than 'voting' and 2nd/3rd wave feminism was mostly liberal contrarianism that porky used to pit men against women creating sectarian divides based on mostly bourg pseudoscience. In the USSR women had maternity leaves and accommodations for them, they could take ANY work they wanted but were also not pressured to choose tradionally masculine labour just to be contrarian. They had equal rights and their place in the labour force appropriately complimented men, just as men complimented them, rather than competing over nothing. Women in the Red Army were usually nurses but NOTHING stopped them from being ordinary soldiers and killing Nazi scum, nothing stopped them from leading factories and being awarded for heroism and labour. That is real women's rights, and not some imagined whining.
>>6104 >only "theorylets" dislike MLs lol
>>6106 Leftcoms and ancoms who aren't bad faith idealists disagree with MLs and may oppose them, but do not resort to petty emotional "hurr ur tankie", in-part because this argument is easy to flip right back at them and also in part because it is immature and not an argument, as you still don't have one.

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Comrade 11/05/2020 (Thu) 15:57:04 No. 5589 [Reply] [Last]
Since /leftypol/ is downright autistic at times I decided to make a Debunk thread where anticommunist arguments are presented with their debunks by users.
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>>5591 >>5591 >Why People Don't Read Anymore: https://archive.is/w1f30 Good post for redpilling Americans.
>>5648 Nicu work
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>Muh Minimum Wage is bad! 7 dollars an hour is fine! 11 dollars an hour is fine! <Bootstraps!!! 7.25 x 40 = $290 a week. A fucking WEEK. BEFORE TAX. 11.50 x 40 = 460$ a week before tax. The minimum wage MUST be raised. When it was established, it was in line to be keyed to Inflation rates and the national average cost of living. Minimum wage is NOT set according to skill level. This is the "My Pie Fallacy" where people think they deserve to earn a much higher gap from "burger flippers" and idiots who disagree with raising the wage need to stop it RIGHT FUCKING NOW. Other people getting more money doesn't mean you get less, you fucking MORONS. The minimum wage is supposed to be over $27 right now. That is how much Inflation and Productivity has gone up since the wage was first set in 1938. In fact, thanks to corporate pandering in Congress, the minimum wage peaked in "value" in 1968, and this was back when the majority of those making minimum wage were teenagers who had families to supplement their major expenses, not people who have families of their own TO support. Many states have recognized this and have implemented their own increased wages. We are in a VERY precarious place right now with the minimum wage being as dangerously low as it is. We are about to see crime rates increase as more and more people keep being unable to live on their wages alone, as just LAST YEAR the supplementary rates of welfare and EBT systems reached the point where the wage problem surpassed it. We are being herded to financial ruin by billionaires who intend to crash the market so they can buy companies and stock at a record minimum costs only to turn it around again afterwards and reap the high values. We have seen this before. We MUST eliminate this enemy. If not the rich themselves, then the traitor Republicans they own and keep on leashes must be excised from power and replaced with a competent third party. Because presently they are not an American political group. They are ENEMIES. >Inb4 muh raised prices Price Ceiling regulations.

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>Why did the gas chamber doors have hinges that turned inward when bodies would pile up against the door as people tried to force their way out of the only egress point? Why were they made of wood Well since the Jews are on the inside of the gas chamber, and they panic and rush the doors, then they can't swing them open. That's why all exits for buildings larger than homes have doors that swing outside. Also push bars, so the force of the crowd would push them open. The Chambers were generally not made of wood. >Why were the Russians the only ones to ever find a "death camp" The Germans built their death camps on conquered Poland so they wouldn't have to import Jews in Germany, they wouldn't have to soil German soil with millions of dead bodies, and because it would be convenient for when they ran out of Jews and started gassing Poles. Kind of like how the United States builds it torture camps in Cuba and Iraq. >Why did the Nazi's kill in such convoluted ways when a bullet to the brain stem costs pennies? Gas was cheaper and faster while bullets were needed for combat. They even tried gassing by carbon monoxide poisoning from running truck engines, but zyklon B was cheaper still. However majority of Holocaust executions still involved gun-based executions by the Einsatzgruppen. >modern crematories can't even reach a fraction of that capacity taking 2.5 hours per body and how can so many be done over a short 2 year period Modern crematoria are designed to cremate individual bodies and return their ashes to their families, as opposed to the mass burning of large number of bodies. Now a question to pose to Holocaust Deniers, why was no actual Nazi a Holocaust denier during and after the war? This one simple fact shows that most of what modern deniers try to claim is a silly contrivance. From 1945 onwards, thousands of Nazis were captured and hundreds tried for their part in the Holocaust and other crimes against humanity. They tried to pretend they were someone else, they tried to pretend they didn't know what was happening, they tried to pretend they didn't have as much to do with it as others, they tried to claim they were just following orders and they tried to justify it as "the kind of thing that happens in war." But what they did NOT do was DENY it happened. Even men on trial for their lives, in the full knowledge they would be hanged if convicted, never stood up in the courtroom and shouted "This is all a lie! This is a fabrication! There were no gas chambers and no crematoria! I'M BEING FRAMED!!!!" On the contrary, they gave great detail as to precisely how they had helped build and helped run the mechanics of mass murder, some of them even seeming proud of how they had achieved something so complex and on such a vast scale.
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Response to pic related collectivism: the practice or principle of giving a group priority over each individual in it. racism: prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different racial group based on the belief that one's own race is superior. Collectivism and racism are utterly irrelevant to one another In the USSR the entire system existed around collectivization and there were over 200 different races, ethnicities, religions and cultures, yet discrimination was practically non-existent. What more, the (collectivized) people living there were actively educated to be against racism, and thousands of students from under-developed countries were taken in for free to gain an education and to mingle with the peoples of the USSR. Afghani orphans and immigrants were welcomed with open arms in the USSR, with special centers built to educate them and give them homes, homes that were taken away with the advent of capitalism in the states of the ex-USSR. It is self-evident that this was not simply a token act, by the fact that many of the former orphans as adults, are saddened by the fall of the USSR, and some have joined the war in Novarussia, saying that they're paying them back for the kindness they were shown as kids. Individual rights may be important but excessive attention to only your individual and no others is chauvinistic idiocy. Instead of enriching one-self while the rest remain poor or even at the cost of making others poorer, one must enrich themselves with their fellows and to do that, one must work collectively for a single goal and be ready to sacrifice for a greater good.

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Comrade 11/16/2020 (Mon) 22:26:29 No. 5944 [Reply] [Last]
There are people who spend their entire lives reading Hegel and still manage to come out empty handed. ITT we discuss the great thinker, Karl Marx's teacher, and he on who's shadow we walk: Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel 1. What are good things to read/view to get an understanding of Hegel from a philosophical neophyte? 2. What service can Hegel's philosophy provide us today? 3. What an be done to make Hegel more accessible to the masses? Why is it so unpenetrable?
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>be in a conformist protestant society with no internet >have likely extremely irrational and stringent requirements to get into university >all anti-german imperialists btfo >have one guy get kinda famous
>>5982 > Marx famously states that he put Hegel's system on its feet, but more recent readings of Hegel argue that perhaps Marx was putting 18th century Hegel on its feet, and that the differences between the two are not immensely significant (besides their areas of research). well firstly Marx said “on its head”, not feet, but I agree. it’s not just the area of research though. the thing is that Hegel was already writing in a time where Adam Smith was already well known, he just never thought to apply his method of analyzing substance (in this case capitalism) as a subject. the main difference between Hegel and Marx is that Marx ‘’did’’ think of it. So many Marxists seem to want to outright ignore or treat as a juvenile error that Marx openly “avowed” himself as a student of the “mighty thinker”, because they’re too lazy to engage with Hegel seriously.
>>6004 Yep. Just wanted to bump this thread with the following clarification regarding the "on its head" quote: >The mystification which dialectic suffers in Hegel's hands, by no means prevents him from being the first to present its general form of working in a comprehensive and conscious manner. With him it is standing on its head. It must be turned right side up again, if you would discover the rational kernel within the mystical shell And wanted to clarify that what I meant by "Hegel of the 18th century" should read: "Hegel as it was being taught in the 19th century" which it could be argued was a more idealist reading of Hegel than more contemporary readings, and that Marx might have had that reading. I heard it from a Hegel scholar, lol I personally have no idea. As for "the rational kernel within the mystical shell", I read this article that was really nice. It helped me get a sense about what Marx meant by the rational interpretation of hegelianism.
What's the difference between reason and understanding in Hegel?
Hegel is often compared to Heraclitus, something I'd assumed was primarily based in their most obvious similarities (an emphasis on contradiction and change.) However, as I've been reading through the presocratics it seems clear to me that Heraclitus and Hegel are similar in at least five important respects: 1) That the world operates according to a paraconsistent sort of logic that embraces useful or productive contradictions, 2) That this world operates according to change, 3) That it is nevertheless an intelligible, rational, order, 4) And objectively so, 5) Though few people operate with an understanding of it as such Which seems more robust than just one or two. How much did Hegel use Heraclitus as a direct influence? Or is it that taking on one or two of these assumptions leads to the rest as well?

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Catalyst pdfs Comrade 07/22/2020 (Wed) 04:57:56 No. 2651 [Reply] [Last]
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>>2651 What is "catalyst"?
>>6095 Jacobin’s theory journal.

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/edu/ checkpoint Comrade 08/24/2020 (Mon) 16:25:44 No. 3434 [Reply] [Last]
Hello comrades. I propose a general thread in an attempt to get the /edu/ ball rolling again. Everytime you visit /edu/, post in this thread. Tell us about what you're thinking about, what you're reading, an interesting thing you have learned today, anything! Just be sure to pop in and say hi.
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Currently reading Engels' Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State. It's an interesting work. I've only read the very beginning so far, but am very interested in seeing where the rest goes. On another note, I've been thinking a lot about Kant and his transcendental idealism. I recently read Marx's Theses on Feuerbach and Engels' Socialism: Utopian and Scientific, and both touch on Kant's philosophy, though the Theses do it more indirectly. Reading these I think I've been able to understand and form a pretty consistent critique of transcendental idealism from a materialist point of view, though this only makes me more interested in actually reading Kant, which I haven't. I guess I'll work on studying him more closely as I read these other Marxist works. I'll probably start with Descartes then Hume or something like that. Might check out Leibniz at some point too. >>5978 So the book shows how economists/philosophers like Smith and Ricardo were not just responsible for indirectly 'justifying' liberalism, but also directly engaged with its politics, all the while knowing its flaws and surrounding opportunism? That sounds pretty interesting, I guess I'll check it out sometime. Will add it to my 'critique of liberalism' reading list.
halfway through my first book since probably middleschool, Against Empire by Michael Parenti I wish this board was more active >>5992 someone did this on /mu/ once too, they got a whole suitcase full of EXTREMELY rare Three Six Mafia tapes and other very valuable Memphis Rap releases and were like, >I no longer agree with the message of this jungle music, it promotes violence and degeneracy and then procedes to start melting them and throwing them in the garbage
>>6018 I've had this book for a while but have put off reading it. Maybe it's time. >>6024 You can make it more active comrade. Look through the catalog and see if there's anything you like if you don't wanna make a thread! >>6020 Based. One of my favorite Engel's works, was a huge breakthrough moment for me in getting the 'bigger picture' of humanity.
Anyone read Ted Reese's book "Socialism or Extinction: Climate, Automation and War in the Final Capitalist Breakdown"?
Am reading Carr's History of Soviet Russia. Currently on Part 3 (Socialism in one coutnry), vol. 1. PARTS 1 and 2 were really good.

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Comrade 11/20/2020 (Fri) 03:11:36 No. 5968 [Reply] [Last]
How does this make you feel?
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>>5968 the alchamist is a good book 10/10 would read again
Chairman Mao is based
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>>5968 >most read How do you know that people read the books they purchase instead of just putting them on a shelf as display? I think this would be more accurate if it said "Most purchased books" rather than "Most read books"
>>5970 Ah, I may be able to answer this. Dedicated Muslims would have one decorated Quran, and hang it on a wall with a string so that it isn't touching the ground/table. There is no giving people Qurans like people do with Bibles. It's more of a decoration than actual reading stuff. A similar thing that happens is giving people calendars with Quran verses and other religious stuff.

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