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Treatment of Animators bear 05/28/2020 (Thu) 00:52:54 No. 626
Discussion of the way that Animators are treated in the Anime industry. Firstly. why are animators treated like shit? Why don't they try forming unions? You're thoughts on this whole Animator Dormitory project? How can the West (I'm assuming that most of Bunkerchan is yankees and eurofags) help?
>>626 For as positive as Animator Dormitory project is, taking a look at its gofundme page isn't inspiring. I feel spoiled, but all it amouunts to is housing assistance and job training. Something that even a yankee can expect to be provided by the government or an employer. Not that housing assistance is usually provided by an employer, but there has been a history in which employers would provide housing (free of charge or a rentier.) Corporate dormitories carry more a stigma in the West, but I believe they might be prominent in Japan because employees tend to stay overnight. Japan seems to have a union presence, but it's been on the decline. I remember reading that labour unions are beneficial to Japanese productivity, so that could be indicative of Japanese unions' collaboration with the bourgeoisie.
What is sad is how many of these animators and mangaka die young, and often of suicides. Or they damage their hands or their eyes trying to meet the strict deadlines and can no longer work on their craft. I think it'd be cool to marry an artist and be able to financially support that person in return for feeling like you subconsciouly affected a piece of art and would leave a legacy.
Asian Boss is pretty reactionary but they did a cover of an animator who did work for BNHA and other popular shows and she described the tough living. Its played as a joke in To-Love Ru with Rito's father being an over-worked Mangaka who is never home.
>>626 > Why don't they try forming unions? A South Korean socialist on r*ddit was talking about how they legit send death squads to your house if you try to organize. Maybe nips have something similar.
>>631 Not really, but when they unionized and striked in the 70s, the companies simply outsourced the job to SK since the Japanese laws prohibits hiring scabs. Animators have no bargaining power and are one the most exploited categories of workers in the first world, despite technically being professionals. KyoAni is the only good anime company and some schizo decided to burn it all down, fuck.
>>626 Can we use the poor treatment of animators to redpill western anime fans on labor rights and unions? Drives me insane how many of those fuckers piss and moan about the poor treatment of animators while being right wing shitheads who overlook the exploitation of labor they support in America.
>>633 We've tried they just think they deserve it. People were rubbing their hands in glee on /a/ when Kyo-Ani was burning.
>>632 >Be the only Japanese political party against big business and US occupation >leader gets assassinated by some schizo >Be the only Japanese animation studio treating workers well >Gets burned down by some schizo Really makes you think.
>>634 They were? I remember the opposite. But my memories of /a/ are a bit blurry.
>>636 I remember going between // and /leftypol/ and the /a/ fags were caught between cheering it on, and talking shit about how KyoAni took too long to release Seasons. Few of them were remorseful or saddened past their own selfish desires.
>>637 The people celebrating it were just being contrarian assholes like always. There's no doubt that was an opinion on /a/. Nonetheless, KyoAni still recovered despite the huge loss of life.
>>634 Wow, that's hard to believe. I can't imagine the /a/ I left in 2014 would have gotten that bad. /a/nons were shitty, but not like that.
>>628 >4,939 McDonald's Employee Salaries. McDonald's employees earn $20,000 annually on average, or $10 per hour, which is 106% lower than the national salary average of $65,000 per year. >CG animators make almost as much money as McDonald's workers.
>>640 In Japan is more convenient to work part-time in a konbini than to be an animator.
>>638 Well, I do remember them being that shitty when the big earthquake hit Japan.
>>639 Eh, its like /pol/ and other boards; the constant anti-PC dogma and tendency of social isolation and shit-talking spiraled into a shitshow
>>643 On the subject of Asian interview channels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqmQcGwiXWg That Japanese Man Yuta is neat.
>>645 It's interesting that the most popular shows in that video are all things I've never heard of.
>>639 Mods have sucessfully purged board culture from /a/ years ago, combined with the surge in popularity of animu and election tourists have made the board a shadow of it former self.
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>all this bitching about CP and other freedom-shit <nobody talks about the animators and how they live
What effect does piracy online have on animation industry and the animation workers? What's the correct practice on this?
>>3468 Piracy affects the companies profits, the animators don't lose or gain money whether you buy the products or no.
Is it befitting for the communists that want the animators to have better working circumstances to refrain from piracy?
>>3493 >non-piracy While I don't bother pirating, I don't pay for anything either. It does NOTHING to help animators, and only gives the corporations who exploit them more money to do this exploitation. They're paid wages for their work (shitty wages but still wages) regardless of whether X or Y anime makes a profit.
>>3500 this. think of anime was a product, just like anything else. workers are expected to manufacture that product by a certain time frame and their financial compensation, whether it is on a per-hour, per-project basis, or otherwise, is accounted for before the profits even start to come in.
>>3493 Animators aren't working in terrible conditions because of piracy, shill.
>>3493 >>3500 >>3511 If I might interject for a moment, piracy is the theft of material goods on the high seas, often involving murder. Unauthorized copying is not piracy, it's simply reproducing information.
>>3519 Hacking is cutting something apart with wild swings so illegally entering another account or site is simply opening closed off information It's slang names that came into common use m8.
>>3520 Now you're confusing hacking with cracking! "Software piracy" was an attempt by idea monopolists to conflate humble data reproducers with cutthroat murders on the high seas. Continue to conflate the two at your own peril.
>>3519 shut up stallman, youre legitimately autistic

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