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Anonymous Comrade 12/31/2019 (Tue) 01:00:10 No. 1753
One Piece is leftist
It vaguely is, you can definitely make the connection.
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>>1753 One Piece is libertarian, although left leaning. It's big focus is pursuing your dream no matter what and in defiance of authority. If there is any central ideology I can discern its Egoism. PS Yay, Finally a One Piece Thread!
>>1755 Its anarchist
>>1756 In a chaotic, egotistical sense, yes. On the Political Compass it would be leftist libertarian. Which is impractical IRL but a fun fantasy to read about.
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It's Libertarian in some sense but I vaguely assume Oda has communist sympathies because he's got che guevara hanging up in his office and the fact that the revolutionaries exist in his story. Like Luffy's dream is being the most free in the seas, but naturally there are other pirates who value freedom that will fuck other people up like Blackbeard or Kidd. Plus Oda's shown us good natured Marines like Garp, Fujitora, Smoker, and several others. There obviously will be some form of government when One Piece comes to an end, it just won't be at the beck and call of bourgeoisie fascists like the celestial dragons. One Piece is a good baby's first leftism, I appreciate having it when I was younger, it helped me get here. (fun fact, in this sbs answer Oda makes it a point to say that his stereotypical thoughts are "world peace")
>>1758 He also knows a lot about communism. Dragon is directly based off of Castro as explained in the vivre cards.
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>>1759 Ah I didn't catch that, but thanks for letting me know. That's pretty based of Oda, though communism as understood by Japan is pretty light and soc-dem like, ain't it? At any rate, let's post some inspiring One Piece stuff. I've been meaning to talk about it in a leftist space for a long ass while.
>>1759 While initially true, I feel that Oda has either liberalized or been forced to liberalize One Piece because the Revolutionary Army in canon declared that it intented only to remove the 'bad kings' and World Government. Essentially playing the "good ruler stay/back in power" card
>>1761 It's just gonna be "not all kings" or some shit because of the good kings we've met, but I think getting rid of the world government in general is a good thing, or at least the celestial dragons.
>>1762 I feel as long as the celestial dragons and im are removed from power, that it can still be considered leftist. You could make an argument that keeping the good kings is still "democratic" since they are in a way chosen by the masses. Idk.
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>>1753 I've just started watching the anime and've noticed that Captain Kuro looks a lot like Stirner.
>>1763 Even if they're making the Revolutionary Army a bit faggy, keep in mind that all the "good kings" were not actual royal families that ruled over those countries from the start. The Celestial Dragons were the actual kings of all the world's kingdoms before they moved to that heaven of theirs as seen with Doflamingo and Dressrosa
>>1764 shame hes just a shitty one shot villain
>>1764 also read the manga instead. youll enjoy it more. Toei has horrible pacing and adds tons of filler
>>1764 They have similar egotistical personalities too.
>>1763 >chosen by the masses no they aren't Alabasta, Fishman Island and DressRosa are exceptions as demonstrated in the reverie
>>1769 the only ones you've listed there that are true are Alabasta. As The Nerfertiti were dsecended from the original 20 world kings. Fishman Island is it's own thing, and Dressrosa was coup'd by a celestial dragon descendant.
>>1770 This. They're kings in title, but they have popular support from their kingdoms.
>>1770 Alabasta had a literal revolution when shit got bad after Crocodile's manipulations. The Revolutionaries could have removed Nefertiti but chose not to upon the truth being revealed, thus showing that the people in the case of Alabasta could do so. >Dressrosa Original rulers WERE Doflamingo who BECAME Celestial Dragons, before one of them lowered back to humanity and the last living member of that line took over Dressrosa from a different line of kings who were of the people. >Fishman Island is it's own thing It is a kingdom regardless, but the king is sort-of elected and they seem to have protest movements and such. All three of these kingdoms have people clearly ready to overthrow improper government but have kind kings. At the same time such kings are the exception among kingdoms. Making the whole 'good king' thing a liberal backtrack.
Skypeia arc was good at dealing with the "no gods no masters" thing
This is probably the most obvious reference to communism in One Piece. I don't remember the cover story too well, but it was something about a workers' revolution in a weapons factory.
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>>1774 Unfortunately that antagonist was a massive POS
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>>1776 it doesn't have anything to do with him. He just happens to look like One Piece Che Guevara, now he's in Japan jail. Oda's got a Che poster hanging up in his office, I've said it before in this thread but I found the picture and it's neat to see. His office has a lot of weird bullshit though so it could be a random visual flare type of thing.
>>1777 Based comrade oda.
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Another find. Mariejois (where the celestial dragons live) is based off of Chateau de Chambord. While not exactly a pivotal building in the French Revolution, I do believe there's a connection to be made there. Especially since as if I recall correctly, Bello Betty is based off of that July Revolution painting too.
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Saw this illustration in the newspaper and made it for fun. Don't really vibe with it since that cop is in this, but hey it's for the meme.
I really liked One Piece years ago but as my tastes developed I sort of lost my taste for it, and the series has been stretched out to the point where going over the story is a bit of a headache.
>>1781 I literally just got into the story and I can't get beyond dressrosa. There's so much to unpack, especially for a noobie I can't believe I made it this far. Not to mention apperently funimation has been doing a fucking chapter by chapter adaptation of the anime rather than skipping some parts which has made shit just drawn WAY the fuck out. Like long ring long island. I want to return too it and finish it and be there for the 1k episode, but, god damn.
>>1782 Please read the manga instead, not only is it faster but the art is a lot better and the anime literally RUINS scenes. Take for example, since you've watched up to Fishman Island I'll list a good example from that. The anime adds in a scene of Hody Jones and his band of fucks getting fucked with by adult pirates as babies, to set up them as idolizing Arlong when he saves them. This scene isn't in the manga, and for good reason. At the end of the arc, Hody says his hate for humans isn't based off of ANYTHING in particular, he's simply a byproduct of the generation before him hating humans. This is a very poignant part of the whole arc that's just ruined through the anime trying to add in more filler for time. Most of the time the filler is bad non-cannon additions to the fights, but there's stuff that's reprehensible. Please consider the manga if you revisit this series again, it really shines as a manga first artistically anyway.
>>1783 This. Im reading the manga rn and its so much faster than the anime and is way easier to digest. Toei ruined the anime with the bad animation and filler hell.
By the way does anyone else here post in one piece general on 4chan /a/?
I finally caught up with the manga. I'm gonna really miss reading it daily.
>>1783 Too clarify, i do not dislike one-piece. On the contrary i absolutely love it. I am just a large digester of anime rather than manga and it makes me sad that the anime is so fucked.
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>>1785 I do, it's been terrible for nearly a decade or so, but I do. >>1787 S'all good comrade, was just letting ya know. Shame the anime adaption is as bad as it is, Dressrosa is a slog even in the manga IMO so I don't blame anime onlys getting tired from it.
>>1788 >I do, it's been terrible for nearly a decade or so, but I do. every thread on 4chan is terrible though so its to be expected
>>1789 That's a very fair point. I haven't really felt like 4chan's been fun since 2008 or so. I was a majority /co/ poster too, so it was just generally less of the /pol/ nightmare that the rest of the board was slowly becoming. Actually, for any other 4chanons in this thread, remember how bad the /a/ op threads were from around the turn of the decade? It was to the point that you'd see a lot of refugee threads on /co/ or /v/ for that reason alone.
>>1790 I started using the threads around dressrosa. I was the BTFOanon/Sanjihatefag
>>1791 I still say fuck Sanji. White Knight bastard keeps acting like a cunt so much it pisses me off. His Wholecake Island sarc gave him some new depth but still.
>>1792 Literally the worst gag character in the series.
>>1791 lmao, I remember trolling that Sanji-Nami shipper in that era. It was fun times. I didn't invent the "bullsopp" narrative but I helped propogate it.
>>1794 >Sanji-Nami They deserve each other TBH. He would serve her greedy wants tirelessly and she would never have to put out and he would be fine white knighting til he died.
>>1795 Nami's a sweet girl minus the greed, which is mostly played up for jokes. I'd rather Sanji end up forever alone for all his bullshit.
>>1796 Sanji belongs with kiku
>>1796 Shaji is the most annoying character. Very shoe horned. Very transparent.
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>all the sanji haters ITT
>>1799 I like all the strawhats he just annoys me more than the others. Him being kind and cooking food for whomever is always gonna be the best Sanji. Feeding the hungry is very noble.
>>1800 I hate the cuck part of Sanji that won't hit a woman
>>1801 ok incel
>>1802 Even Luffy hits women, anon.
>>1753 >One Piece People with basic bitch taste will be put to the gulag >>1758 >Oda has communist sympathies because he's got che guevara hanging up in his office and the fact that the revolutionaries exist in his story. Pics or it didn't happened
>>1804 All you had to do was scroll homie. >>1777 Also, fuck you.
Does big mom/tottoland represent liberal/radlib idpol?
>>1806 >forced diversity >a group of islands governed by children of a dictator whose purported dream is where everyone is equal >outright ignores this dream whenever greed attacks sort of I guess. It's more of a "le liberal monarchy/good ruler" parody
>>1807 What does Wano represent?
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>>1808 Hard to say since we haven't seen it in full yet. I want to say Wano has something to do with Oda's desire to see Japan be less nationalistic since Oden hated how cramped the country was, in addition to how the scabbards mentioned that they wanted to open the borders to Wano and stop making it so isolationist. This arc walks a tightrope of "Japan strong" and also "maybe japan not so great" at times.
>>1808 Japan historic and modern. 1) Industrialization is seen as bad because it is used to exploit the people and brings terrible living conditions 2) Instead of a proper feudal monarchy, the state is ruled by a "monarch" who is really more of a figurehead as part of a business and has international power (Orochi deals with World Government officials like an equal) which is similar to a corporate monopoly working with a national government 3) lastly Oden was a 'disgrace' because he lived freely and did not care for how others saw him, breaking the mold of uptight Wano citizens. All these feel like callbacks to moments in Japanese history.
>>1810 >3) lastly Oden was a 'disgrace' because he lived freely and did not care for how others saw him, breaking the mold of uptight Wano citizens. Lol everyone in the 4/a/ thread got mad and started shitposting over this. Theres a /pol/ presence there.
Someone should go through every major arc and say what they represent.
>>1811 >Theres a /pol/ presence there. No shit >in the 4/a/ thread got mad screencaps? >got mad and shitposting Fucking why? The guy is the definition of a hedonistic libertarian in terms of behaviour. He's just a libertarian with a sense of empathy.
>>1812 I was going to do that but then leftyweebpol went kill with the rest of 8chan so I lost my work.
>>1813 >Fucking why? The guy is the definition of a hedonistic libertarian in terms of behaviour. He's just a libertarian with a sense of empathy. Because the thread is full of retards who thing the celestial dragons represent jews and they didn't get their typical shonen stoic chad hero
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>>1816 Unless you have something to add to the thread, bumping it like this is idiotic
>>1813 With the latest chapter reveal of Oden only dancing because he made a deal to save everyone, people in the /a/ thread are still saying Odens a cuck.
>>1818 LOL the most predictabl twist ever and /a/ just realized? >he's a cuck Fucking how? He has no way of killing Orochi who, along with Kaidou, fights dirty. He was putting his people ahead of himself.
>>1819 They just like playing up bad stuff they don't get contextually because being a part of the "outrage" is fun. If you meme "One Piece is bad now" eventually it just becomes popular opinion. Anyways in regards to Oden, everyone's saying that he should've just called Roger or Whitebeard to help him with Kaidou. Forgetting multiple facts like how Roger is dead at this point and that Wano's Den Den Mushi only have the limited range of the island. Even the "Kaidou is a kidnapper" complaint is dumb when you consider he's a pirate through and through, pretty much a barbarian, and we've seen him all throughout the arc trying to brainwash people under him, so the narrative of "why isn't Kaidou just wrecking everything" they're spinning is objectively dumb.
>>1820 >being a part of the "outrage" is fun Part of it is also because HxH retards try to slide the thread on a consistent basis.
Oda is sick. Do you guys think he got the corona?
>>1822 He gets sick constantly. I hope not TBH, him dying like the author of HxH would make those faggots intolerable and leave One Piece to be truly an ever-ongoing series.
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>>1823 lets send some dialectic to Oda so that he gets better!
>>1824 I don't think politics posting is going to help him get better, if anything it'll stress him out more.
One Piece is obviously at least partially leftist which makes it hard for me to understand why JUMP allows it to be published. Maybe im just being autistic idk.
>>1826 anything that's critical of the status quo is fine by capitalists so long as they can make money off of it. I mean for fuck's sake they're making an american version of Parasite aren't they?
>>1826 >obviously at least partially leftist Its libertarian and about "muh freedomz" and abstract concepts of dream. While this is good it isn't very socialist and more liberal than anything pertaining to actual anti-capitalism.
>>1828 Its anarchist. Its against all forms of authority
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Have some nice copy-pasta If you're not familiar of the story of the soon to be pirate king I'll fill you in. Basically this goofy ass kid named Luffy with crazy famous relatives eats an ass tasting fruit and becomes a rubber man. So this goofy rubber ass motherfucker saves a green haird dude that swings a sword in his GODDAMN MOUTH! This crazy fuck lifts like 20 thousand pound dumb bells and shit for hours. This is possible because they frequently dine on giant goddamn monsters. So they go off and find this chef that looks like 20 year old Gordon Ramsey and together they kick the shit out of this gay ass thug in Golden armor that thinks he's hot shit because he's the toughest guy in the area which is full of pussies. They then find a Pinocchio looking freak with a slingshot and bring him along after beating some faggots in catboy cosplays cause why the fuck not. They also recruit a talking reindeer that's half human cause he also ate an ass tasting fruit. Also he's a doctor cause why the fuck not? They also have a chick with regular tits to start but later on in the series they balloon up by three or four times the size. They beat up this gang dude that would fucking whip garaa from Naruto's ass in a sand fight. Then rubber man takes his bitch who ate another ass fruit that let's her have like however many of a body part she wants so boom wings made of a thousand hands eat that shit curse mark sauske with your two wrinkled bat hands. So after fighting a dude with lighting powers who thinks he's good and saving sand dudes bitch from some creepy ass dude and a bunch of assassin's that also end up eating ass fruits they make friends with a cyborg powered by Cola and perverted skeleton and fight some shadow weilding fat Dracula and a bunch of zombies. Then they save a mermaid slave from over privileged white people. Rubber dude then ends up on an Amazon island and the queen is totally into him because he doesn't give a shit about bitches. Then rubber guys brother dies in a fight between a giant golden dude that ate an ass fruit and about 50 other dudes that ate ass fruits and they got ice powers and light powers and earthquake punches and fucking black holes coming from a fat guy that later eats the earthquake power or some shit. Years later they reunite after being separated and go save more mermaids and then fight dragons and living poison on an island covered in fire and ice. Living poison thing that ate another ass fruit that makes it a lizard fish thing and rubber guy saves some drug addicted giant children from a guy with literal bad gas. Then rubber guy goes to win his dead brother's ass fruit in a roman coliseum style tournament and fight a guy that shoots strings from his fingers and makes this power so strong he almost kills a whole island with it. Then they go a jungle on top of a giant elephant and meet a bunch of athro fap material characters like a super over-sexualized bunny and a dog girl. Bunny girl and a lepord dude go with them to save young Gordon Ramsey from this old ass bitch that eats literal metric tonnes of sweets a day and has an army of warriors that were everyday things imbued with pieces of souls sucked from the people that live there. It's their where a shark man with crazy ass water bending joins them. Now they're in samurai land.
Is jinbei a feudalist?
>>1832 In relation to the Merman king, yes. In relation to over-all world government, no.
>>1753 O relly?? Name one pro communist episode???
>>1780 >the cop Bro what the fuck is wrong with Kochikame??, SOMEONE TELL ME WHEN DID RYOTSU GET CANCELED. HE JUST BE EATING RAMEN AND FIGHTING WITH CHILDREN ABOUT TOYS INSTEAD OF BEING A CAWP
>>1803 ok incel
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Final page of the most recent chapter honestly strikes me in the eels. Haven't had that happen with One Piece for a while. Spoilering for newfags
>>1753 >One Piece is leftist <A crew of libertarians travel the world, executing their personal justice and fighting a globalist government while propping up kingdoms, even against Revolutionaries, who support the king if he's good.
I'll admit when it has to come to the whole Alabasta it kind of makes me wonder if it was a lazy analogy for Iraq. I'm not sure if anyone's aware of it but when it comes to a lot of the buildings and city design specifically Alubarna was based off of Baghdad during the Abassid caliphate especially since both cities had a very round shape. The big thing that makes me wonder this though is basically the fact that the timing of the Alabasta arc happened around the early 2000s which was around the lead up to the Iraq war which to me seems awfully suspicious especially since in the story Crocodile is shown to be a Shichibukai who did have alliances with the World Governement and attempts to use said power to get rid of a country which looks vaguely like the Middle East until getting defeated by Luffy. I guess in a way the analogy though messy would work if one were to say Shichibukai were like Al-Qaeda in that they were funded originally to fuck with other pirates but ended up backfiring like it did when the US supported Al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein against the Soviets only for Al-Qaeda to do 9/11 and Saddam Hussein to get in the way of the flow of oil which the US wanted. Also, I guess technically Alabasta did have actually a weapon of mass destruction if anyone wants to make a joke about it. I don't know this is probably a shitty analogy but I don't think Oda thought out the implications of the Alabasta arc.
>>1839 A decent analogy actually but I do concur that Oda was likely only vaguely referencing Middle Eastern conflict, rather than anything specific
More stuff on Dragon being a lose parody of Che that I only just now learned: his ship is the Wind Granma, named after the ship Grama, which carried Che, Castro, and the rest from Mexico to Cuba to overthrow the Batistas. Also, Dragon's favorite food is Bocaditos, a cuban slider-style sammich. There's no doubt in my mind that the revolutionary army aren't based off of the Cuban Revolution now.
>>1841 Well except the fact that the Revolutionaries (post timeskip) have stated their intent to remove the World Government and let the "good kings" rule their countries.
>>1841 This is just hobby-communism, like the author of Youjo Senki >>>/roulette/1501
Still don't understand how One Piece is a left-anarchist manga >>1843 >hobby-communism what do that be? your link is broken
>>1875 Hobby communists like history and the aesthetic of communism but aren't necessarily communists.
>>1875 Go to /anime/ catalog and search Youjo Senki the thread was made on roulette but its still there.
>>1779 The name is literally a portmanteau of Mary Antoinette and bourgeois.
So is Kaido's son actually son or a girl? Like the fuck is going on right now?
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>>2010 She is a girl who LA'RPS as Kozuki Oden
>>2098 Gotcha, thanks for the clarification. the translations were confusing as shit.
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>>2103 In the 4chan /a/ thread this is a popular topic for flamewars as of lately.
>>2104 Not unexpected. I don't go on /a/ anymore since those cancerous weebs have become as braindead as /co/ has.
I don't know why but Nico Robin's nose feels like one of the best designs in the series and its reduced look post-timeskip is a real shame. Her whole design pre-timeskip was just great in my opinion.
>>2343 not only do I miss it, but Oda now likes to use a similar rendering for people with regular noses when they face frontwards. It makes Robin look less unique, sucks. He also doesn't really connect Robin's nose with the bridge of her eyebrows anymore. She's been moe-ized. >>2010 >>2098 What's weird but kind of interesting to me is that Luffy respects Yamato's pronouns by calling him "mountain-guy".
>>2354 >pic filename Strangely enough the anime is actually not as bad as it was. It's still terribly paced and has some dumb shit, but its a marked improvement over shit we saw before.
>>2357 Dressrosa was the animes lowest point
>>2370 Dressrossa, actually (at least after you get through the first half of it) was a really good and captivating arch, in and of itself. But yeah, Jesus Christ, the anime just drags it on for EVER. I watched at least 30 episodes at x2 speed.
>>2371 Im talking about animation and filler wise. Most of the animation for that arc looked like a child drew it. Its a real shame because like you said it was a really good arc.
One Piece is better than MHA because One Piece is left anarchist while MHA endorses fascism. MHA is basically eugenics sky high but in anime format
You know what One Piece is? Bad.
>>2467 The media you eat up vaguely aligning with your political views doesn't make it better, overly ideologized consumerist dumbass.
Oda is a hack
>>2807 Ok, you're welcome to your opinion >>2808 This, fucking this. I know radlib "anarchists" who like One Piece over Bleach or Naruto, not because of narrative or story-telling merits, or characters, but because "it's anarchsit and so leftist!"... because ideology somehow makes something a better story.
>>2807 Underrated post.
Shounenshitters.
>>4201 >posting this pseud shit <saging stay mad
>>4204 You don't know what pseud means or what sage is for, as expected of someone who unironically likes shonen garbage like Wan Piss.
>>4247 >saging because he doesn't want to get a reply <U-u don't know what sage ees!! You are a pseud, your denial does nothing to prove otherwise. >unironically like <Hurr if you enjoy something for silly fun ur stoopid >Wan Piss For someone supposedly 'above' "muh shonen", you sure get assblasted over it and people who enjoy it. STAY MAD wannabe hipster

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