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I watched the first 6 episodes of NGE おたく 06/12/2020 (Fri) 22:51:52 No. 599
And wow, I fucking hated it to be perfectly honest. It seems like the entire show is only about Shinji's angst (and Rei increasingly I'm sure) and the characters various emotional issues, but like, okay, who cares? The situations they're thrown into are totally absurd and ridiculous so how can I take any of this drama stuff seriously? Like these kids are the last best hope of mankind and they seem to be totally unsupported by anyone? Shinji was gonna live in a totally empty tenement and it's only his superior's minor moment of reasonable judgement that means he lives with her instead (and she is clearly no kind of parent figure), and Rei lives in a dark, dingy slum dwelling made of all concrete with nobody taking care of her either? Like, their emotional reactions seems somewhat understandable but also completely dull and uninteresting because the situation they're in is absurd (and even then they both come off as pathetic and unlikeable - and no you can't say 'but that's the point!!', that doesn't make it entertaining to watch). The less said about the non-angst portions of the story the better, the 'fights' are 10 minutes of foreplay for like 60 seconds of action if that, and while that's a common problem with anime, that doesn't make it excusable. Yes this series is old and I'm sure it has inspired so much but people still recommend to watch it and it just seemed like garbage. Almost nothing is explained which means I can't possibly feel invested in this absurd world in any way. Every part of the setting seems to have been created with 'style over substance' in mind, urgh, just overall I found it absurd. Try not to give too much spoilers because I guess I might still try watch it, but I really don't see it redeeming itself. Though for context I also hated 'The Godfather' and 'No Country For Old Men' and thought they were pretentious overlong shit, so maybe I'm just a contrarian.
>>611 >>602 Excellent posts
>>608 >this
Bruh it's SUPPOSED to be shit!
>>614 Piss off
>>609 This. Gunbuster is a more "fun" series in general. Evangelion isn't exactly for everyone. I do suggest trying to get further into Eva before dropping it though.
Is there any point in watching this if you're not a teenager? Seems like overhyped because of nostalgia and reverence
>>617 Its not about "teen angst" but a deconstruction of human emotion. Unlike Lain, which instead categorizes and explains psychological issues rather clinically, Evangelion instead poses questions and humanizes these depictions. The most famous of this is the "Hedgehog's Dilemma" where people want to interact but are afraid of getting hurt and do in fact get hurt by relationships. Its not overhyped, though some of the fandom can be obnoxious, and it deserves its nostalgia because for the people of its time, it was a product that spoke to them. Today's audience is very different to those of the 1990s It was about to be the turn of the century, Existential crises were globally occurring from the former USSR, to the USA to Japan, whose economy crashed enormously. There is a lot to say but frankly I suggest reading the waybackd post referenced in >>602
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Alright, fine, I'll post it.
>>618 Okay is there an order to watch it? Is it based on manga
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>>620 not the anon of that post but Eva 1-26 (EP21-24 Director's Cut) Optional Death & Rebirth. Death is a recap of the series and rebirth is the first half of the EoE. End of Evangelion movie is a must see. In my experience, people who didn't enjoy the anime generally enjoyed the movie more as it's tighter paced and action filled. Optional Rebuild movies. These are the theater remakes of the original series, and there's three of them currently with a fourth coming soon. Personally, I consider the rebuild series to be inferior to the TV series. The manga was released earlier than the debut episode of Eva back in 1994 in order to promote the anime. They were intended to be released together. However, the manga took over an additional twenty years to finish while roughly covering the same plot line as the anime. I think it's worth it for the Sadamoto's line work however.
>>620 'That' anon here: I suggest watching all the episodes and then EOE. The final 2 episodes are very trippy and thoughtful presenting a contrast to the starkn ending with EoE. I tend to headcanon that the endings mirror each other, with the latter being what goes on outside while the final 2 episodes being the inner thoughts of chrcters, mainly Shinji. If you want more action you can watch the rebuilds, however only the first 2 films are good, the 3rd film made no fucking sense (which is hilarious for evangelion but true), and the 4th movie is still a trailer... a very insane and crazy trailer. The manga inserts a lot of extra shit, for example the hinting of Shinji and Kaoru's kinship is turned into full-blown Yaoi-shit.
I don't want to be that guy, but subbed or dubbed?
>>623 Subbed. The dub is serviceable. Don't watch the Netflix dub.
>>623 Subbed is technically better but the original dub is decent and you can get a few laughs out of the frankness (look up 'evangelion baloney pony' for an example of this)
>>622 > for example the hinting of Shinji and Kaoru's kinship is turned into full-blown Yaoi-shit. no need to be in denial
>>601 Most acclaimed anime have slow starts, its to get you attached.
>>1266 It's not denial, its basically a mix of Western Dub fucking it up, and the Mangakas going Fujoshi with the characters, when the original lines are a demonstration of "male love" i.e. kinship between men, not "cute boys fucking uwu" shite.
>>601 The more anime you watch the more you begin to realize just how uncommon slow starts really are.
>>601 I guess it is somewhat slow getting to the real story, but you get a bunch of angel fights and other shit right from the start. I don't see the problem.
>>601 Because most people don't find it to be a slog, or if they do they don't find it enough of a slog that the payoff doesn't justify it. Honestly, I think the show overall kinda falls flat if you've never been a lonely 14 year old sad boy. I think that's the issue most people who don't vibe with the show are having, so that might be it. But I have a friend who was in a similar situation to you. I tried for years to get this dude to watch the show but he couldn't get past the first several episodes. I was confident he would like it because I knew for a fact he had at one point been a sad 14 year old. Eventually he did watch it all the way through and has been obsessed with it for the least few months.
I went into the show expecting to analyze the kids' trauma and came out thinking, "Damn, everyone here needs therapy. I guess that's what the instrumentality was for."
>>1970 This, finally someone fucking gets it
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>>1745 the mangaka is a dude and a major reifag and he still doubled down on kawarushinji, the entire point was for their relationship to have a heavy yaoi feeling from the beginning, it's why anno had a literal fag write the episode and told him to make it even gayer after the initial script man I agree shinj wasnt full on lusting after a dude but to say they "just had kinship" is pure denialism and ur probably a closet fag
>>1973 >the mangaka 1) Reminder that manga came AFTER the anime. 2) A Fujo doesn't have to be a girl >the entire point was for their relationship to have a heavy yaoi feeling from the beginning >Anno hired a literal fag and had him make it gayer Source? >to say they "just had kinship" is pure denialism and ur probably a closet fag wrong.
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>>1976 Fujo is quite literally not the term for a male obsessed with bl pairings. The mangaka is also not one of these people. That is your insecure projection. The manga was also started before the anime but it is also it's own canon. >Source? Why dont you do some basic research on a show your having hot takes about instead of living in a solipsistic bubble with pet theories not based in reality? Excerpts from the first and one of the longest interviews after the airing of eva with the most popular yaoi magazine in japan: https://evaresources.wordpress.com/staff/1997-june-anno/ >wrong Your head canon is what is wrong. Pic related is the cover of the book the previously posted page comes from. Face it. Your favorite sadboi anime has romantic gay shit in it.
>>1976 >>1979 the cover didn't load for some reason but here's a link to the amazon page itself https://www.amazon.com/Anno-Hideaki-Parano-Evangelion-this/dp/4872333160
>>1979 >Why dont you do some basic research on a show Considering that I've been an EVA-fag for roughly a decade I do plenty of research, however there is also so many interviews and media that it is quite easy to miss this stuff. >your "You're" >Fujo is quite literally not the term for a male obsessed with bl pairings Yes yes I know Fudan whatever. >That is your insecure projection Yes, so insecure that I don't read Yaoi and actively avoid it in media >The manga was also started before the anime but it is also it's own canon. Started being a keyword, the anime is far more important in many ways >it's own canon Which is my point. >interview Did you read this yourself? Anno contradicts himself <I’d sort of stopped understanding Kaworu-kun, so I couldn’t discount the possibility that I’d made a mistake. He’s just an odd guy. *laughs* His image is a little different. Well, as a character, Ishida-kun’s voice was incredibly good, so I wondered whether the stuff that I’d simply thought up on my own wasn’t a little insufficient. So h literally admits to not being the one with yaoi intent, and just having the thees thrown in because he didn't know how else to flesh out the character. >face it Yeah you've just proven that there IS gayshit in the manga which isn't what I denied. I denied that the dialogue and actual depiction in the anime were outright homosexual. The cover page you posted is for the MANGA, which has quite a few differences in interactions.
>>1983 kek I recognize your smoothbrain posting style now >anno contradicts himself so it's my special snowflake interpretation over established canon Yeah I'm gonna go with word of god's literal description of kaworu as a homo love interest. Feel free to keep living in denial over your own and this anime's faggotry tho. You could also try actually watching the show and paying attention this time :) >The cover page you posted is for the MANGA, which has quite a few differences in interactions. lmao
>>1995 >anno contradicts himself so it's my special snowflake interpretation over established canon Nice strawman faggot >watch it and pay attention I did fag > word of god's literal description of kaworu as a homo love interest <Imma just ignore that word of god also states that he didn't know what to do with the characterization so he just had it thrown in for the lulz last minute Yeah this is why word of god is considered unreliable, especially since Anno himself complained about budget cuts only to get debunked by the budget managers in other interviews. TL;DR: no argument; read more smart alek and don't take things at face value.
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>>599 it gets interesting after ep 16 and tbh the evangelion manga is way better than the anime
>>2220 >Manga is better LOL no.
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>>2220 >it gets interesting when you're more than halfway through why do pseuds do this to themselves?
>>600 The first time I watched Clockwork Orange, I had a real hard time watching it cause I was hating the main character.
>>602 I was half-expecting my effortpost I made on leftypol to be there. tl;dr, I got something very different when I saw it when I was young, than when I was older. And as another poster noted above, I understood more intimately the adult characters. One real cool thing is the contrast between the end of the world and angels blowing shit up, with sunny days and boring cicadas. Also maturity, contrasted with wanting to connect with others on a "real" level (which has been something that psychedelics have made me more aware of), and a whole host of psychological traumas we all have. Maturity seeming to include an effort to suppress traumas (rather than solve them and overcome them). As I'm more mature, I see this in adults all the time. Depends how empathic I'm being, there are times when other's traumas and insecurities are acutely apparent of whatever they're complaining or anxious about. I'm no exception, I'd say most of my adult life has been uncovering traumas and working through them. I have the suspicion a lot of people don't do this. Leftism has also made the trauma work easier. Anyways, I'm rambling. The point is that EVA was an interesting series for me that touched on a lot of topics I care about. I think that at least makes it a good drama and a good sci fi series. It's not so much 2deep4you, many times it's just what you vibe with at the moment, sometimes EVA is not it.
just watch starting from episode 14 if youre too gay to watch fight scenes
>>2282 Don't do this.
>>599 >Though for context I also hated 'The Godfather' and 'No Country For Old Men' and thought they were pretentious overlong shit, so maybe I'm just a contrarian. u fucking wot m8. There's nothing 2deep4u about Godfather, it was the most successful film of all time when it came out.
Don't know about you op, but what I enjoyed about evangelion was the kinda quiet scenes the series have. Like in the first episodes when they are scenes of the city but nothing special happening, just the sound of birds, or "nature"; or when Shinji its at the hospital and you can hear the lights flickering, a loudspeacker in the background. I think those calm scenes do a good contrast with the fighting scenes, or when the characters have to deal with other issues. That feeling of being somewhere you may know, somewhere you may have visited before, or at least hearing something that seems quite familiar makes the series quite special to be honest :^). It's like having some sense of calmness before the storm, I guess.
>>1970 >Damn, everyone here needs therapy. I guess that's what the instrumentality was for. Yeah but despite that Shinji at the end of the movie seems to be as mentally troubled as he was at the beginning of the movie.
>>2470 He's alright by the end of the last episode of the show though, can read that as taking place after the very end of EoE.
>>2470 It's not obvious, but his grief is symbolised the last moment in the film when Shinji briefly chokes Asuka, but cannot bare to tighten his grip at all. He let's go, so to speak, all his baggage. And, all he is left to do is lay there. The ending is bittersweet. I think Asuka's line at the end, "You're disgusting.," is two faced. She's a tsundere. Even though the content of her words are harsh, her tone is neutral. I think it would be read the line instead as "I need you." Watch at your accord, it's a spoiler. https://youtu.be/pVeKyqV1jWU
>I have the attention span of an 11 year old: the post
>>2220 >takes out all the crazy weird shit that made the second half so interesting >better m8 NGE is indistinguishable from its many shitty knockoffs from the late 90s/00s once you take out Hideaki Anno's auteur fugue state out from the equation
>>2568 >>2637 Thanks for your responses. I can only say there's many ways to interpret Evangelion. But I guess that's one of the things that makes the show attractive. >>2637 I don't think that one can describe Asuka as just being a tsundere. I think there's more to it.
>>3021 There's more to her, of course, but Asuka is the archetypal tsundere.
>>3028 I supposed the Asuka/Rei debate has died down finally if there hasn't been any reaction to this.
>>3035 Do you come from EvaGeeks or something? NGE debate has died down in general.
>>3059 Well there's has been a little evangelion hype since last year due to the series being in Netflix, and that the last of the rebuild films is coming out this year.
>>1973 >it's why anno had a literal fag write the episode and told him to make it even gayer after the initial script Can anno get more based? Also, Eva is a hegelian series.
>>3059 /a/ still had regular rei vs asuka threads on 8ch

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