>appears nowhere in that article or in my original post
Yes, but the guy is apparently known to argue that based on the glance at what I found.
>relationships for nearly all of human history (until the Victorian-colonial era about a couple centuries ago) were not based on "romance"
Which is what I said, too, but (at least the impression I get from your posts is that) you keep insisting that the desire
for romantic relationships didn't exist even as a concept until then and that's demonstrably absolute horseshit.
>Women could (and did) choose who to have children with.
I hate to break it to you, but that was often not the case in much of the world, and still isn't in some parts... but again, there are always exceptions to norms. Probably the most famous example of a pre-Victorian love marriage is that of Shah Jahan and Mumtaz Mahal, but you'll probably find a way to argue it wasn't romantic love either... maybe "no girl would've said no! that means she only said yes to climb up the social ladder!" or "he wanted to marry her, she didn't come to him first! this means it was forced!" or something equally cringy.
>They just didn't choose based on "romantic feelings"
Except when they did, but the key point I was making is that they often couldn't
marry who they wanted to marry. They had romantic feelings for someone else, couldn't be with them for societal reasons, and then married someone society saw fit while yearning for the one they actually loved. It's one of the most prominent themes in literature and folktales across the world throughout history. If you're going to argue that it's all fiction, that doesn't change the fact that people related to those stories so much that many of them became classics. Obviously people had romantic feelings, often going unfulfilled, long before the Victorian era.
>AKA relationships were based on labor/communal needs & responsibilities, not "romance".
That too, but the women literally have the choice to marry who they want
and have sex with whom they want
, which naturally includes who they love. The community being there to help raise the kids doesn't mean there's no romance in the equation. Like I already said, they may be as much "fuck me you're hot marriages" as "love marriages" and may not be "marriages" in the modern (western) sense, but obviously there's romance involved.
>How many of these "ancient folktales, literature and poetry from around the world" that you're referring to are from the modern Victorian era or even more recent, though?
Jesus. Fucking. Christ. Again, there are tons of Japanese, Sanskrit, Arabic, Persian, Greek, Chinese, etc. literature and folklore, etc. that refer to romantic love, and again, often in a lamenting way about not being able to marry someone you love. None of those are "from the modern Victorian era or even more recent", that's just ridiculous... like, do you think for example the Mahabharata was written in the 19th century? It's full of stuff about romantic love and unrequited love and all that, so it must
have been, right...?
>Aleut and several other Native American groups
That may be true, but I just remember reading somewhere about some native American culture where partners choose (or chose?) each other based on their mutual affection.
>I don't know where you're pulling this from
Just googling his name and terms like "sexism" and "feminism", both the stuff by his fans and critics paints him in a pretty bad light.
>Chinese and Hindi are not really global languages since they're not lingua franca
They're lingua franca in the two most populous countries on the planet. Varieties of Chinese are spoken in several countries, and the importance of Mandarin in particular constantly grows. The same can be said about Hindi to a degree, not as much but if you consider Urdu and/or smaller closely languages to be the same language, it's also technically an international lingua franca.
>"my native language is so much more sophisticated and romantically passionate than English"
That's not what I was saying, I was arguing that practically every other language
is more nuanced in expressing love than English, because that's the case with all of the languages I'm at all familiar with, which aren't just in one language family. I didn't even know Spanish and other Romance languages fit that as well (I did know Spanish has at least two words for love but am not sure about the difference), I'm glad you mentioned it since now I know that my point applies to at least some European languages as well (other than Greek, which I already knew has many words for different kinds of love). Are other Germanic languages just as willy-nilly with their word(s) for love as English? So, is it a Germanic thing? I should look into this.
>I'd guess that it's probably Italian, French or Portuguese
It's not and I'd prefer it if you stopped trying to guess, or at least I won't respond anymore if you keep trying to "gotcha!" my first language.
>despite it having little to no relevance to the discussion
How the fuck was it not relevant, when the point I was making was that English sucks for talking about love?
Anyway, I'm done replying to you if you just keep repeating ROMANTIC LOVE WAS INVENTED IN THE VICTORIAN ERA
because it's just too pointless. You've made up your mind, Victorian-era Hollywood have rewritten classics of literature across the globe to trick people into feeling emotions that never existed before (and still don't exist?) because some dude who shares his name with a murder cult leader claimed so.
Are there really societies where the shame of being a virgin is greater than the shame of having sex with a hooker? I thought it's probably not like that even in the US or UK, but I was wrong? Prostitution is one of the most shameful things where I'm from (and I believe most of the world), virginity isn't even on the same spectrum of shame. A lot of men remain virgins for their lives and the worst shame comes from themselves, feeling like they've let their parents down by not having children while society just thinks "he'll die alone, too bad". It's shameful past a certain age, but there are still tons of things much more shameful than it. Prostitutes on the other hand are basically invisible, no one wants to even talk about them, they might get disowned by their families and no one would ever date or marry one, etc. Having sex with one basically makes you "forever irreparably dirty", no woman would ever date or marry you.
That said, the youth can be Americanised and think "lol pathetic virgin", and the youth are
becoming more Americanised so that mentality is now seemingly common especially among girls. They'll shame you for it, which is why I'm cautious about looking for my "soulmate" since I'm most attracted to around 20-year-olds...