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halp pl0xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Comrade 04/23/2018 (Mon) 16:50:58 [Preview] No. 6760 [Reply]
im preparing for the first of may(international workers day for the dum dums out there) but i havent come up with a good idea for a nice sign. this is where yall come in, give me your best ideas boys!

further information would be that i live in sweden and am gonna march with the anarcho syndicalists if it helps.
I hope I will get the fabric to make a red flag. No further sign is needed.

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The EU Comrade 04/24/2018 (Tue) 18:39:58 [Preview] No. 6766 [Reply]
Comrades! I seek to know what your opinion of the European Union is! As a British Comrade, the status of the EU has been a very heated topic over the last few years and I seek to understand what my fellow comrades believe about it.
It's clearly a tool of capitalism and is used to perpetuate the economic power of the capitalist class against their workers, but it's also a major opportunity. The building of a pan-European identity separate from the old nationalist ideals could be used to create a European Federation, and later a unified socialist state in Europe instead of having to incite proletariat uprisings in each separate country. In other words, the EU sucks, but it's potential to unite the workers of each current state also shouldn't go to waste.

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Nuclear energy in Turkey Comrade 04/04/2018 (Wed) 23:56:13 [Preview] No. 6722 [Reply]
What do you think about that Turkey is raped which means that foreing countries ( China, Russia, France and Japan and some investments from EBRD) are capitalizing on the current instability and economic problems to develop their interest; and also fertile lands will be damaged because of the nuclear facilities.

Comrade 04/04/2018 (Wed) 03:46:23 [Preview] No. 6719 [Reply]
Do you have communist traditions in your family? As I remember my father used to calle me "comrade" when I was child and my mother not works since 1990 because she do not want to work for capitalism.
Rate.
Yes, I'm sure THAT was why your bitch ass mom didn't work, hoe prolly sat around while her man hustling

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Give me someone worse than Suharto Comrade 04/03/2018 (Tue) 01:21:19 [Preview] No. 6716 [Reply]
I'm going to Defend Suharto's title as being among the worst if not the worst peoples to have existed out there.
The US killed 3 million Vietnamese people in Vietnam in their 20 year war. 600,000 people died in the entire Iraq war. Pol pot's economic failures did 2.5 million people over 5 years.

Soeharto killed 3 million people in 1965-1966 alone, just by mass executions alone which involve horrible decapitations for males and vertical cutting from the bottom of the Vagina upwards unto the belly for the women. This is after the men are forced to march on the streets naked with their balls being cut off and/or their bodies stabbed with bayonets, while the women have their nipples cut off then marched on the road until they are executed. The bodies all fall into either the mass graves or the rivers, with 7 generations of the children of the remaining leftists being legally stigmatized to never be able to serve nor work within the government institutions. This means we have more or less 150 people killed per day, just counting the killings.

Soeharto literally sold off the Indonesian resources by selling Indonesia's powerful military assets such as the Nuclear-capable Ilyushin and Tupolev bombers to Pakistan for them to be scrapped as well as many other assets from the Airforce and the Navy. Soeharto immediately legalized foreign investment in Indonesia, and started the framework which commodified education and for further privatization of the Indonesian state. In Suharto's time, all state workers are obliged to vote for Suharto's party (Golkar), religious Muslim women were prohibited to wear the Hijab for a time, the Chinese minority were not allowed to practice any of their traditions, non-heterogenous genders from tribals were eradicated systematically, and the Javanese ethnicity were encouraged to spread everywhere without giving similar incentives to other ethnicities. In practice, all Foreign investment goes only to Suharto's family and the people who know him, economic competition were swiftly dealt with through simply not giving permits for political reasons, all parts of society are watched through the Urban PETRUS and the rural Babinsa.

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Council Communism Appreciation Thread Comrade 03/28/2018 (Wed) 23:31:57 [Preview] No. 6692 [Reply]

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Comrade 03/24/2018 (Sat) 23:59:02 [Preview] No. 6670 [Reply]
Im socialist who is the son of Cuban exiles in Miami. Am I a hypocrite for not moving back to Cuba? Im not a Marxist Leninist of course (or a Marxist in general), but it still feels like shit.
You're Fine. 'Rican here, and while I appreciate Cuba's socialist history as well as the historical cultural bonds that Cuba and PR share, you really don't have to feel obligated to move back or anything.

I, and a lot of others, would argue that Cuba as it stands now isn't socialist anymore either. It went the revisionist route of most 20th century socialist states and was likely the victim of Krushchevist social imperialism. Performativism doesn't accomplish anything, anyway.

Besides, I'm sure people here need you more to help spread a leftist influence and raise class consciousness :)

Alternative hypothesis Comrade 03/25/2018 (Sun) 01:27:48 [Preview] No. 6671 [Reply]
https://youtu.be/SrmTPs9iLWA

This is what /pol/tards actually belive
Can you refute?

Feminist cancer kill the left. Comrade 03/23/2018 (Fri) 12:53:47 [Preview] No. 6660 [Reply]
most left wing groups online have feminists gatekeeping them.

if you challenge the anti male, anti working class feminist narrative you will be banned, it is as simple as that.

Also you get a lot of disingenuous leftists who pretend to be against SJW's but do nothing to tackle feminism. So that means they are enablers of misandry.

Also the left is full of lgbt nonsense as well. The LGBT is a feminist term, as there is no such thing as a LGBT person.

The old gay man's movement was called GLBT, but feminists told gay men to check their privilege and took the movement over.

you know after gay men did all the rioting and took the risks, women then took over.
>enablers of misandry
feminist misandry isnt really a serious problem in and of itself. Its only a problem inasmuch as its retarded and drives people away from things too heavily associated with/sharing a label with the retards.
I mean, I'll defend you here- the basic, stupid, un-nuanced background ethos the average person calling themselves by some label have does matter. it shouldnt change what you actually believe but it should make you stop and think about how to describe yourself, labels can get poisoned and veer too far off course to keep being useful, and regardless of what you personally believe as a feminist, or what feminists you actually like and agree with say, the broader meme has been run into the ground with idiotic misandry and the same myopic blindness to the other genders experiences and feelings they accurately observe men as having for women. you could reply, "well you could say the same thing about socialism and obviously that would be wrong", but thats not so obvious. if socialism really, thoroughly means 'things republicans accuse of being socialism, and social justice' in everyones minds, then itd be good to drop the term. not the ideas, but the term. it no longer describes the ideas accurately. the word means what people use it to mean, not some ideal thing that comes from its etymology or history.
But-
its stupid to talk about those things like they're some sort of dangerous threat, or to get upset at them as morally abhorrent, using terms like "enabling misandry" as though the misandry itself were a serious problem. you're under no more threat from misandrous feminist as the average woman is from mysoginistic wizards.
also, you could call it HBT. homosexual, bisexual, transsexual. Thatd make it less alphabet soup too.

As for how to handle idpol cunts parasitic relationship with leftism:fuck, man, I dunno.
nice try FBI
>>6666
Nice quads!
>>6663
You are deliberately trying to downplay the potential danger that feminists represent to others by asserting that they need to gain strong control of the system in order to produce affects on the lives of others. This is demonstrably false: the feminist movement has enough power in western societies that men are imprisoned because a woman placed his name on a piece of paper, are made homeless because a woman accused him of violence and can generally use their position in society to negatively affect the lives of those for whom they hold animosity. Furthermore, there are laws women can use to rein in those wizards you point to. Feminists are a threat in the same way that black nationalists are a (lesser) threat and neither are something that needs to be allowed greater access to the levers of power.
retard

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/ego/ general Comrade 01/23/2018 (Tue) 06:48:06 [Preview] No. 6542 [Reply]
Give me one reason, ONE why this man is wrong
>protip you cant
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>>6608
Multiple people sharing similar delusions doesn't make them basically real. Things that dont exist do not, actually, for any contrived dance around it one can make, exist.
How some illusion impacts peoples perception is relevant if you want to change peoples perception or get them to do something. It should have nothing to do with what you yourself actually think. Whatever happens to be convenient to achieving whatever goal you've decided on doesnt affect what's real.
Defining your beliefs about what you feel is good and should happen/bad and shouldnt based on whats pragmatic towards what you /already/ think is is circular and retarded.
>>6609
Pro-Tip: Something can be "real" and not exist at the same time.

Ignoring that social trends and constructs have an effect on how the world functions, while simultaneously assuming that humans can entirely undo all of them and never have an abstract concept or system again is ahistorical and idealist tbh

Stirnerite faggots go home. If Marx hadn't torn Stirner to shreds, no one would have known he existed.
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> Something can be "real" and not exist at the same time.
Oh im having a laff m8.
'People think something is true' being true and 'thing is true' being true are not the same.
>Ignoring that social trends and constructs have an effect on how the world functions
I never said that. I said they aren't real. The subjects of the social constructs that is, not the fact that people believe in them.
Every time someone makes this shit argument that "but ppl think so and so they do things didferently so it EFFECTS STUFF" they're just using it as abit of mental gymnastics to make the leap to 'so yeah its basically real in some sense I can now go on acting and feeling as though it is.'
No its not.
People who call themselves stirnerites, symbolize themselves with that awful teal and black flag, and don't understand that spook = identity taken seriously - these people make me question my deep enthusiasm for his philosophy.
>Ignoring that social trends and constructs have an effect on how the world functions

His acknowledgement of that is a founding principle of his philosophy.

He doesn't oppose all abstraction. He knows full well to get rid of all social constructs is to get rid of all thought. He rather wants as many people as possible to recognize and embrace the fact that all actions are done for an agency that exists beyond identity.

If you read his book you'd know he's completely aware that this perspective has become contingent on historical processes.

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