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Comrade 12/09/2018 (Sun) 06:38:01 [Preview] No. 7305 [Reply]
What's your thoughts on university, necessary or just stealing your money?
Under the current sytem, defo just stealing your money

Im going to saay the B word Comrade 12/08/2018 (Sat) 20:27:50 [Preview] No. 7303 [Reply]
Im not joking

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Invisible Leviathan Marx's Law of Value in the Twilight of Capitalism Comrade 11/30/2018 (Fri) 19:17:14 [Preview] No. 7270 [Reply]
Does anybody have a torrent or download link for

Murray Smith's
Invisible Leviathan
Marx's Law of Value in the Twilight of Capitalism

Just came out a couple of days ago, but you can only get it off of brill publishing and over there it's 150 euros. I also don't want to read Kidman's cheaper take on the law of value because I don't care about that eggman.
>>7270
>Over £100 for a ebook
And people wonder why piracy is a thing.

OP give it a month atleast since it's just released pirates are probably working on the DRM as we speak
I hate paying for things too. its really unfair when people expect to be paid for their work.
Moron
>>7300
You're a pitiful dipshit.

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Comrade 07/17/2018 (Tue) 22:37:37 [Preview] No. 6919 [Reply]
why has it failed?
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>>7228
Real world markets do not generate Pareto efficient results. You have to be literally brain-damaged to believe otherwise. Of course, you don't really believe that, the term is just a buzzword you heard from others who also were just mindlessly repeating. You don't know what Pareto efficiency means. A Pareto improvement is a change that nobody is against. A Pareto efficient distribution is one that cannot be Pareto improved. A current owner and potential seller of a thing can have a threshold price X in mind, selling at that price or higher he feels is a benefit to him. A potential buyer can also have a threshold price Y in mind, and considers buying at that price or lower a benefit. If X≤Y, there exists a possible price where both would feel a trade beneficial. But does that mean the trade must occur? No, because neither side knows the threshold for the other person and neither side has an interest in meeting in the middle, the interest of one is to push the price as high as possible within the interval, and for the other it is to get as low as possible. This back and forth between offers can burn a lot time and it can happen, and it does happen regularly, that one side finally says fuck that and so the possible trade that would be beneficial to both doesn't occur.

Now, I know what "argument" you want to bring up next (because you are copypasted soulless automatons): that this inefficiency is not the fault of the market, but the fault of the people. This is called moving the goalposts. And it's no better than a tankie saying a byzantine socialist bureaucracy is perfect, just the people in it are making mistakes. And of course you didn't even read Hayek, else you wouldn't have combined his mug with the pseudo-mathematical certainty of the Pareto claim and instead would have just appealed to intuition and experience.

Why do you feel the need to fake knowledge even when you are anonymous?
'It' hasn't you absolute lackwit.
>>7228
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2012/12/the-red-and-the-black/

>First he reviewed eighteen studies of technical efficiency: the degree to which a firm produces at its own maximum technological level. Matching studies of centrally planned firms with studies that examined capitalist firms using the same methodologies, he compared the results. One paper, for example, found a 90% level of technical efficiency in capitalist firms; another using the same method found a 93% level in Soviet firms. The results continued in the same way: 84% versus 86%, 87% versus 95%, and so on.

>Then Murrell examined studies of allocative efficiency: the degree to which inputs are allocated among firms in a way that maximizes total output. One paper found that a fully optimal reallocation of inputs would increase total Soviet output by only 3%-4%. Another found that raising Soviet efficiency to US standards would increase its GNP by all of 2%. A third produced a range of estimates as low as 1.5%. The highest number found in any of the Soviet studies was 10%. As Murrell notes, these were hardly amounts “likely to encourage the overthrow of a whole socio-economic system.” (Murell wasn’t the only economist to notice this anomaly: an article titled “Why Is the Soviet Economy Allocatively Efficient?” appeared in Soviet Studies around the same time.)
>Two German microeconomists tested the “widely accepted” hypothesis that “prices in a planned economy are arbitrarily set exchange ratios without any relation to relative scarcities or economic valuations [whereas] capitalist market prices are close to equilibrium levels.” They employed a technique that analyzes the distribution of an economy’s inputs among industries to measure how far the pattern diverges from that which would be expected to prevail under perfectly optimal neoclassical prices. Examining East German and West German data from 1987, they arrived at an “astonishing result”: the divergence was 16.1% in the West and 16.5% in the East, a trivial difference. The gap in the West’s favor, they wrote, was greatest in the manufacturing sectors, where something like competitive conditions may have existed. But in the bulk of the West German economy — which was then being hailed globally as Modell Deutschland — monopolies, taxes, subsidies, and so on actually left its price structure further from the “efficient” optimum than in the moribund Communist system behind the Berlin Wall.

>The neoclassical model also seemed belied by the largely failed experiments with more marketized versions of socialism in Eastern Europe. Beginning in the mid-1950s, reformist economists and intellectuals in the region had been pushing for the introduction of market mechanisms to rationalize production. Reforms were attempted in a number of countries with varying degrees of seriousness, including in the abortive Prague Spring. But the country that went furthest in this direction was Hungary, which inaugurated its “new economic mechanism” in 1968. Firms were still owned by the state, but now they were expected to buy and sell on the open market and maximize profits. The results were a disappointment. Although in the 1970s Hungary’s looser consumer economy earned it the foreign correspondent’s cliché “the happiest barracks in the Soviet bloc,” its dismal productivity growth did not improve and shortages were still common.

Comrade 09/20/2018 (Thu) 04:23:45 [Preview] No. 7151 [Reply]
Zhang Da Zhong (b. 1953). Did propaganda posters during the Cultural Revolution before moving onto portraits. Solid 10/10 waifus depicted.
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Comrade 11/24/2018 (Sat) 20:46:02 [Preview] No. 7254 [Reply]
lol leftypol cant meme
mcbump
>>7254
leftypol is wanna be pol
>>7254
>>7255
>>7256
>being so pathetic you reply to your own empty thread
This is why you'll die a virgin.

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I'm thinking we need to be more like /pol/ (not politically) remember when they stopped he will not divide us Comrade 10/04/2018 (Thu) 00:05:23 [Preview] No. 7173 [Reply]
So is there like some /leftypol/ version of that stuff?
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>>7218
I'd like to partiicpate in a debate between a good leftist and a non-leftist.

Just an honest debate. no triggerings, no overpowering the speakers. Just fucking figure out how to best manage a globalizing mass economy without any of the ethnospergs around or milltiant cries of revolllolution.
>>7218
This right now. The left are in a pickle at the moment but we can regain our popularity. The right gets followers because they troll our events and make us look stupid and them cool that's why we need to do the same tactic. We need to bring back the old days of the left again. The new left eats itself
Haha dude! we really can't bash the fash alone! Go out there and SMASH some fash bro dude gangster!
>>7250
I think both side should just stop being edgy. Oh wait, are you american? I guess that's impossible there.
>>7173
>>7174
>>7218
>>7250
>>7252
liberals fuck off, you aren't 'the left'

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I love America Comrade 11/26/2018 (Mon) 15:19:35 [Preview] No. 7259 [Reply]
Best country on earth!

>be me
>22 years old, live and work in Washington, DC
>get searched going into airport
>get searched going into any federal building
>get searched going into my job
>get searched going into any museum
>get searched going into clubs
>get searched going into a fucking restaurant last night

Gotta love all the freedom!
>>7259
Litterally because you live in DC tbh
America doesn't have much freedom anymore it seems.
>American pride starts draining.

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Can we just not deal with Ben Shapiro? Comrade 11/06/2018 (Tue) 23:18:15 [Preview] No. 7223 [Reply]
I hate that Ben Shapiro guy. Like it's not even funny. I hate seeing the shit memes of him epically own libtards and stuff. Their not funny, their not true, and they spread the harmful idea that his fascist ideas are okay to have. Can we like put a stop to him? wink wink
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>>7223
Antifa cuck kys
>>>/pol/
Actually those ideas are not fascist, because fascist took liberals idea, and not the opposite.

BOOM, EPIC STYLE TROLLED. POMELO TIME.
>>7223
Wish him happy hanukah.
I will agree, the memes seems like they're really getting old.
Ben Shapiro is not a fascist, he's an alt-lite neocon who punches down when it comes to debate because if he had to debate someone from a fringe ideology who is on the same or a higher intellectual level as him he would get his ass kicked.

Comrade 11/30/2018 (Fri) 03:33:19 [Preview] No. 7265 [Reply]
Guten Tag. I am from /GET/. I guess I'll be posting here on Bunkerchan when GETchan finally kicks the bucket.
>>7265
Welcome fellow GETchan user!

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